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Gas Russians Used Was Opium Derivative, U.S. Officials Say
WHDH-TV Boston ^ | 10/28/02 | AP

Posted on 10/28/2002 8:53:37 AM PST by Lady Jag

World News
10/28/2002
Gas Russians Used Was Opium Derivative, U.S. Officials Say
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WASHINGTON -- The mysterious gas Russian forces pumped into a theater to end a hostage crisis was an opiate -- a chemical related to morphine, Pentagon officials said Monday.

The Bush administration, meanwhile, refused to criticize Russian special forces for using the gas, which killed 116 of the hostages as well as the hostage takers.

"The president abhors the loss of life, but he understands that it is the terrorists" who are responsible for the tragedy, Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday as the president traveled to New Mexico.

Military officials said the U.S. embassy in Moscow had determined that the gas used by the Russians was some sort of opium derivative. Such substances not only kill pain and dull the senses but also can cause coma and death by shutting down breathing and circulation.

Russian authorities have refused to name the substance used, even keeping that information from doctors treating the rescued hostages.

Fleischer did not endorse the tactic in remarks to reporters as Bush flew from Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, to Phoenix, then from Arizona to New Mexico. But he made clear the administration's view that blame for the deaths lay with the captors.

Asked directly about the use of the gas, Fleischer wouldn't say whether the administration believed it was appropriate. "We don't know what all the facts are," he said.

But, he said, "As that information is developed, the president feels very strongly that the people who caused this are the terrorists."

Bush had not spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin as of Sunday evening, Fleischer said.

Fleischer said the United States still is unsure how many Americans were involved in the siege but blamed that on the difficulty of keeping track of traveling Americans and not on the Russian government.

The measured White House reaction comes as Bush seeks Russia's support for a tough resolution in the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

In Moscow, a U.S. consular officer visited an American survivor of the theater hostage crisis, a State Department official said.

The identity of the female patient was not released for privacy reasons, the official said. Although she was hospitalized, the official said she was not injured.

"We are still continuing to determine the whereabouts of possibly one or two other Americans," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Russian special forces troopers ended the 21/2-day takeover before dawn Saturday with a raid on the theater shortly before the hostage-takers, rebels from Russia's embattled Chechnya region, had threatened to begin killing their more than 800 captives.

The Moscow Health Department said 405 former hostages, including nine children, remained hospitalized Monday after 239 were released. At least 45 remained in grave condition Monday, Deputy Prime Minister Valentina Matviyenko said Monday.

All but two of the 118 hostages known to be dead were killed by the gas, not their captors. The 50 Chechen rebels holding the hostages also were killed, either by the gas or by gunshots as security services stormed the theater. (AP)



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KEYWORDS: gas; hostages; russia; terrorism
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The mysterious gas Russian forces pumped into a theater to end a hostage crisis was an opiate -- a chemical related to morphine, Pentagon officials said Monday.
1 posted on 10/28/2002 8:53:37 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: sciencediet
Hmmm..that means I would have died (hyper-sensitive to opiates). But, I still support the action.

Never give up! Never give up! Never give up!

2 posted on 10/28/2002 9:02:20 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
If you gotta go, go with a smile. :D
3 posted on 10/28/2002 9:05:12 AM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: sciencediet
I figured there was little chance for ANY of the hostages to survive the incident because it was obvious that Russia would not meet the demands, and there were too many terrorists with bombs.

It's a shame so many died, but it's a miracle so many lived.

4 posted on 10/28/2002 9:09:37 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: antidisestablishment
Yep, would've killed me too, but I still think it was the right choice. The terrorists are to blame for all the deaths and injuries. Another gut-wrenching note about this: Many of those people in "grave" condition are in irreversible comas from lack of oxygen.
5 posted on 10/28/2002 9:11:07 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: antidisestablishment
I still support the action, too.

I am under-sensitive to opiates, but maybe you know: if hostages hadn't eaten, slept and been hydrated enough, would that make them more sensitive to opiates?

6 posted on 10/28/2002 9:11:29 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: Dog Gone
Agreed. Most of the hostages survived and no one would have made it out alive if the terrorists had the opportunity to detonate some of their bombs.

Putin made the right choice and brought out the vast majority of the victims.

Fight fire with fire. Fight terrorists in their own fashion and don't give an inch.

7 posted on 10/28/2002 9:14:47 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: sciencediet
Wouldn't a shot of Narcan have saved some?
8 posted on 10/28/2002 9:15:44 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
I don't know what Narcan is but you do so the answer would likely be "yes". However, I heard that hospitals commented that authorities would not tell them what chemicals were used in the gas so that medicos didn't know how to treat victims.

My question to you is, couldn't doctors nail down the cause by blood tests?

9 posted on 10/28/2002 9:20:27 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: sciencediet
The Bush administration, meanwhile, refused to criticize Russian special forces for using the gas

Thank you President Bush.

10 posted on 10/28/2002 9:24:03 AM PST by MarMema
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To: sciencediet
I'm not sure if this report is correct. The gas was called "Valium gas" and other things as well. The number of fatalities is also high compared with what would be expected from an opiate. Maybe that is due to the inability to get victims out fast enough. But a hostage said that he saw one of the captors convulse as he tried to get a respirator on.

There seems to have been a fair bit on incompetency in how the hostages were treated, no matter what the gas was.

11 posted on 10/28/2002 9:31:23 AM PST by eno_
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To: DainBramage
Wouldn't a shot of Narcan have saved some?

It would seem so, though the dose and frequency would have been something to be determined.

Many emergency physicians routinely administer Narcan and glucose and perhaps thiamine to patients unresponsive for unknown causes as it should cause no harm.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 9:31:25 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: MarMema
"The president abhors the loss of life, but he understands that it is the terrorists" who are responsible for the tragedy, Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer... Wow, and he called them what they are: terrorists -- too!
13 posted on 10/28/2002 9:32:05 AM PST by wonders
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To: MarMema
Thank you President Bush.

I bet Bush would have wanted to do the same thing had it happened here. But somehow I think outside pressures would have prevented any intelligent action and would have resulted in 100% dead.

14 posted on 10/28/2002 9:34:16 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: sciencediet
Too bad it wasn't from a pork derivative just to really throw in the terrorists faces.
15 posted on 10/28/2002 9:35:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: sciencediet
I bet Bush would have wanted to do the same thing had it happened here. But somehow I think outside pressures would have prevented any intelligent action and would have resulted in 100% dead.

Janet Reno would've burnt the place to the ground.

16 posted on 10/28/2002 9:36:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Too bad it wasn't from a pork derivative just to really throw in the terrorists faces.

And they would have slid to their deaths and have met no virgins.

17 posted on 10/28/2002 9:38:39 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: sciencediet
Bet you a big silver dollar that the next group of terrorists who try a stunt like this bring gas masks.
18 posted on 10/28/2002 9:40:13 AM PST by strela
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To: strela
Bet you a big silver dollar that the next group of terrorists who try a stunt like this bring gas masks.

That's the ticket! Perhaps we could confuse them into inaction by publicizing their need for gas masks. I can see these idiots wearing bombs around their waists and gas masks on their faces. To live or not to live? Or, with a mask, to live long enough to kill themselves.

19 posted on 10/28/2002 9:49:54 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: antidisestablishment
We are being bombarded by the media about the "horrible" gas
the Russians had to use. Poor innocent hostages died in the tragedy, but good lord, if the Russians had done nothing, there would be 800 dead bodies.
20 posted on 10/28/2002 10:00:12 AM PST by Minutemen
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