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Democratizing the Constitution: The Failure of the Seventeenth Amendment
The Center for Constitutional Studies ^ | 1996 | an opinion

Posted on 10/27/2002 9:52:46 AM PST by an opinion

We should repeal the 17th Amendment and let the states choose their senators. Its pretty obvious that provincial politics would provide better results than deluding the electorate into thinking their votes really count.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: appointsenators

1 posted on 10/27/2002 9:52:46 AM PST by an opinion
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This would be true campaign finance reform. Especially, if it is coupled with a return to something near the original 80,000 people per representative size for the House. Currently there are 800,000 people per House district. At 200,000 per district, we would have a real chance to know our Representative, and wouldn't need funny shaped districts to get minority districts.

Campaigns for the House could be conducted through town meetings, rallys, and direct mail. No need for TV time.

No real need for Senate campaigns at all, although the Lincoln-Douglass debates were about becoming a Senator before the 17th Ammendment was passed.

2 posted on 10/27/2002 10:44:59 AM PST by SubMareener
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the individual citizen's vote, and the knowledge upon which it would be cast, counted for so little among the mass electorate that it would more than likely favor the intrigues of a well-organized few, adept at "taking advantage of the supineness, the ignorance, the hopes and fears of the unwary. Fifteen hundred Protestors marched in Augusta, Maine Sunday in the "the angry elements of nature". Those interviewed repeated the same Rhetoric that has become subliminal: "I don't want my children to die."I don't want the planet to be destroyed.""There are no further facts to support Bush's claim that Iraq has nuke capabilities or would ever use them against us.""We need to spend money spent on issues close to home: medical insurance and affordable perscription drugs, education etc etc." The Democratic controlled media with the NYTimes being the most read newspaper in America is widely accepted as the Truth..remembers Hillary after 9/11 waving the NYTimes in the air as a Preacher would the Bible ."When Did Bush Know?",knowing her audience was filled with fear and overwhelming emotion..what better time to strike.
3 posted on 10/27/2002 10:45:18 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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This should make a good companion piece to the article you posted!!
4 posted on 10/27/2002 11:05:27 AM PST by Nitro
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Just think of the complete bufoons that the "people" recently sent to the senate. Would today's state legislatures really send the likes of pretty boy John Edwards? The emperor Nero made an ass a senator and Illinois sent Carol Mosley Braun. These are the two that come immediately to my mind. Please identify and post others.
5 posted on 10/27/2002 11:18:34 AM PST by roderick
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The core problem that the Progressives wished to address a century ago was the effect that industrialization and the money generated by industrialization was having on politics at the state level -- and a desire to prevent those problems from moving up to the federal level.

At the time of the Founding, wealth came from the land and what could be grown on it. Of the Framers, only Hamilton had a inkling of what kind of wealth could be generated from manufactures. After the Civil War when the Industrial Revolution hit America in full earnest, wealth began to concentrate in the hands of mill and factory owners, and with that wealth came political power in the rawest of forms.

There was no secret ballot then. When you went to cast your vote, you told the county clerk whom you were voting for. In some jurisdictions, factory owners would parade their workers to the polling place in military rank and file -- and next to the county clerk sat the company representative who made sure you voted the "right" way. If you didn't, you would be fired, evicted from your company housing, and your scrip would no longer be good at the company store. In some of the more corrupt districts it was impossible to tell where the company goon squad ended and local law enforcement began, and your life would be in grave danger.

This corruption translated from counties to the state legislatures. The California legislature was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Southern Pacific Railway, and in Montana it was Anaconda Copper. In Pennsylvania, the coal interests owned the legislature, and in the post-Civil War South it was the cotton and textile interests. Because state legislatures chose US senators, this corruption translated to the Senate. The Senator from California, for example, was known as the senator from the Southern Pacific.

The Progressives were an outgrowth of eastern and mid-western Republicanism who favored changing the laws to blunt the effects of robber baron capitalism before more radical people, like the Populists, could nationalize everything in sight. They thought of this kind of change as preventive medicine. The Progressives made the secret ballot, primary elections, popular election of senators, and iniative/referendum/recall their major platforms for change.

The Progressives also had another agenda. The Civil War was not that far in the past, and the Progressives wanted to de-emphasize the states in favor of the greater national sovereignty propounded by Hamilton, Clay, Webster and Lincoln. Realizing the role that the Constitution's strictures on federal tax collection had played in the events leading to the Civil War, the Progressives wanted to permit direct federal taxation, and the 16th Amendment was their vehicle to remove the states from federal tax policy.

Even the Pledge of Allegiance was a part of the Progressive's plan to emphasize national sovereignty by replacing the Constitution as America's unifying icon with the Flag. The goal was to get people to turn to their government for solutions, not to themselves or their private associations.

The Senate, of course, vehemently opposed direct election. So the state legislatures began issuing a call for a Convention for Proposing Amendments under Article V of the US Constitution. As the applications from the states amassed, Congress panicked. Holding an Article V Convention with all this agitation for change in the air frightened both sides in Congress. The idea of letting the states of the Old Confederacy propose amendments to the Constitution only 48 years after Appomattox terrified the Progressives and much of the national establishment. Nobody wanted a surprise.

When there was only one state to go to trigger a convention call, the Senate passed the 17th Amendment with the necessary two-thirds majority, and the states ratified in recond time. Thus did the Framer's concept of one House for the People and one House for the States fall.

6 posted on 10/27/2002 11:21:29 AM PST by Publius
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Well LOL Finneran's choice would be a lot less liberal then Ted Kennedy( dunno about Tom Birmingham's though).
7 posted on 10/27/2002 3:28:50 PM PST by weikel
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