Posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by forest
We believe that adults have the right to private choice in consensual sexual activity.
We oppose any government attempt to dictate, prohibit, control, or encourage any private lifestyle, living arrangement or contractual relationship.
We support repeal of existing laws and policies which are intended to condemn, affirm, encourage, or deny sexual lifestyles or any set of attitudes about such lifestyles.
Funny for a party that you claim would "leave it up to the States" why do they have a FIRM position that states their position. Hum... "WE SUPPORT" the following is NOT leaving it up to the states IMHO. It is an agenda. Period.
To the degree the Party agrees with you is the same degree that the Party will adjust their policies to attract the pro-liberty vote. (which is nil for now)
The extremes move the middle. Every 1% defection from Republican to pro-liberty 3rd party has enormous pull on the campaign promises (first) and later, actual policy.
The Republican cockroaches will scatter as well.
I agree, what makes you so sure that pull will not be in the opposite dirrection you support. See the LP can be from either direction depending on how you see it (very liberal or unmorally conservative). Would a pull from the LP not support a more liberal shift instead of a conservative shift. Would a shift be away from the conservative strong hold of Christian Right Wing? Would Christian Right Wing not just form their own party canidates and futher devide the vote (which would help the liberal canidates ie. demos). What you propose is not cut and dry and the LP pull is more devicive that centralised in one direction.
George Washington was the first pro-liberty President. So were the majority who came after him, until the Civil War.
Not after you help get a Socialist dictator in place. The left actually had a petition in place to keep Clinton in office. With your help, maybe next election they'll be able to pull it off. Just call a few words in the Constitution "unfair to the voters." Or "The people have spoken."
It will be,thanks to the libertarian party, a new nation. The USSA.
The more libertarians that vote Libertarian, the more power the Democrats get.
Inch by inch,step by step. Libertarians refer to that as "patriotic." Hmmmmmm.What's wrong with this picture?
Yeah...this is where we disagree. The moral fabric that supports the constitution has been dead for some time now. Fundementally, I think its impossible to federally legislate that morality that you speak of back into the Republic...it ain't gonna happen. The bigger problem is that people have been conditioned to let the Nanny state make all the decisions for them and take the responsibility from them. When you give people choices, coupled with consequences, personal responsibility and accountability, a basic moral fabric is created. I could give examples of this...but they're obvious.
yet you use that Constitution to push it's death agenda as if you were patriots.
50+ years trampling on the Constitution producing an ever increasing federal bureacracy and intervention in the lives of its citizens has been the agenda of modern politics...not the "anarchist" LP's. Perhaps we're so used to being told what to do, how to think, when to eat-sleep-shit for so long, that we forgot how to think for ourselves and make our own choices.
The anti-American comment was uncalled for.
Funny . . . when I grew up, I was taught that was the purview of my parents and my Church. I cannot seem to find teaching or enforcing morality as a task assigned to government anywhere in the Constitution. Nor is the teaching of morality outlined in the writings of any of the Founding Fathers as a task desirable for the federal government. But, if government is to so, like everyone else, I want them to teach MY moral convictions, not anyone else's. If you do not agree with that, tough cookies!
Do you see a problem with that concept yet? :-)
You'll have to find another to use as your medium to push your agenda. Your crap won't work on me. Find another. You're wasting your time.
Okay. Will do.
But, if you have been following my writing for the past many years, you may realize that my point of view is not Democratic, Libertarian or Republican. When I started writing, I decided to take the perspective of the Founding Fathers and stick with strictly Constitutional issues.
So, whether you agree with me or not, be advised that I am attempting to convey the viewpoint that was intended to be the supreme law of our land and nothing else.
And how did that happen?
Those things that went in the right direction for America, those things that lead to life, liberty, prosperity, and happiness, were replaced by liberalism indoctrination. God was eliminated from the consciousness. Now, there is no right or wrong. All sin is "Constitutional", as long as it doesn't hurt a libertarian or left winger.
They called it "freedom of choice". Their choice led to the demise of America from within.
Where did unwed mothers come from? It used to be a bad thing.
Where did welfare come from? People used to frown on pan handlers.
Where did SS fraud come from? Work ethics used to be important.
Where did Aids come from ? It was brought to America through the homosexual crowd. They used to keep these people confined for the saftey of the innocent.
Where did food stamps, Free housing, free clothing, free medical, free legal come from?
All these things came from liberalism and it's "chosen lifestyle protected by the Constitution". Every one. People started to fall like flies. They became hungry, homeless, infected and plagued. They had their children unfed and dieing. All hope was failing. Someone had to help. Presto. The Federal Government - "For the social welfare." Yet, the libertarian party refers to it as a good thing. And they bitch because that which they helped create has left all this for the next generation. Shouldn't they be condemming themselves before they condemn Republicans for being nice enough to try to clean it up?
No. The simple power of suggestion works wonders. There's no need to force anyone. The truth will set them free.
Amen!
The Democratic Party is simply the Party of tyranny.
It must be defeated on all levels.
I don't buy that. There's always been right and wrong; right and wrong have been around for a long long time. Thats like saying that there are people out there that really believe that abortion is, in any case right. Thats a bunch of BS...deep down they know its wrong, they have to...its part of being human, they may spout intellectual rhetoric trying to JUSTIFY their action and RELIEVE themself from the responsibility of killing a human being...but it is wrong, and they know it. And thats just what government has done throughout the years, its JUSTIFIED reasons for people to reap the benefits of federally sponsored welfare programs, federally sponsored speical interests, and other federally sponsored ponzi schemes so that they are RELIEVED of responsibility of their actions; because you and me pay for it, indirectly. Liberal support feeds on this concept...not the LP, as you have stated.
All these things came from liberalism and it's "chosen lifestyle protected by the Constitution"...Yet, the libertarian party refers to it as a good thing. And they bitch because that which they helped create has left all this for the next generation.
Again, a federally sponsored and funded "chosen lifestyle" is alot different than a "chosen lifestyle" free from public funding and responsibility...and I argue that there would be alot less "alternative" lifestyles to deal with in this scenario.
Shouldn't they be condemming themselves before they condemn Republicans for being nice enough to try to clean it up?
LMAO! NICE enough? Yeah..trying to clean it up with more and more failing, interventionist government programs...where tax burden increases and civil liberties decrease.
Tell me then, would you vote for someone who said,
"Police work is hard enough already. No one should make it harder. I think it’s wrong to let people carry concealed weapons"or an automatic and semiautomic weapons
"While I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I simply cannot accept that in modern America you need an AK-47 to defend your family."or how about
"I believe Americans want their presidents to be inspiring, effective and confident…and determined to ensure the safety of our kids on the streets and in their schools—even if it means having the guts to stand up to the gun lobby."Well would you? These statements are 'radical' by any conservative's opinion
One leads to the other. Once the nation is plagued, uneducated, naked, deaf, dumb, and blinded by the liberal lifestyle, there's nowhere else to go.
God and his church has been removed from the public relm. "Separation of church and state." Liberals and Libertarians have seen to that, so the government has all the power over the lost. Good idea,wasn't it?
LMAO! NICE enough? Yeah..trying to clean it up with more and more failing, interventionist government programs...where tax burden increases and civil liberties decrease.
So wouldn't it have been nice if morality had been supported in the past,and liberalism and it's "chosen" failures condemed instead? Shouldn't we at least try to stop it now?
Simply removing government now, while the damned are still collecting followers, would cause chaos.
It's time to start teaching the consequences of certain actions. - OPPS! can't do that. That's what the Bible teaches. There are consequences to certain actions. We all know it's politically incorrect and "unconstitutional" to teach anything Biblically correct.
So, how do we clean America up? Starting to get rid of the liberal lifestyle would be a good start. Go to the problems source. "Keep an eye on the nickles and dimes,and the dollars will take care of themselves."
That's a very old, tired and utterly false "bogeyman" you erect.
The socialist Clinton came into office, and what happened?? Newt Gingrich used the outrage of the people to reclaim the House. A major victory for the anti-socialists.
The only problem was that the socialist Republican party did not like that at all so they kicked the "revolutionaries" out.
Tthe Party leaders do not want pro-liberty folks like me. Their agenda is proof.
You can whine to me all you like. You've already whored your vote to them, and didn't even ask for money.
My vote does not come as cheaply as yours. I've learned not to believe them when they say they'll still "love" me in the morning, Nov 6th.
Enjoy your fantasy, you'll only get foreplay and smooth talk until Nov 5th, then you'll get the shaft.
Let's just say that maybe they don't want folks like you and leave it at that.
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