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To: coloradan
No, what I'm saying is that a foreigner, myself included, should at least be checked out by the local police before they are allowed to keep a firearm - why do you have a problem with that?

In the UK, it is hard (if not impossible) for somebody to get off the plane from Saudi Arabia (say) and go and buy a shot gun in a store. Why should it it be easy?

If it turns out that he just some fat Arab prince that wishes to shoot grouse, then give him a license.

But if it turns out to be a young, single, crazy eyed individual, that looks as if he has just come out of an Al-Qaeda training camp - then "NO! Sonny" you can't have a license. And if I catch you with a shot gun then it's off to the nick (jail)!

Personally, I don't have a problem with that.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 8:30:08 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
No, what I'm saying is that a foreigner, myself included, should at least be checked out by the local police before they are allowed to keep a firearm - why do you have a problem with that?

The question isn't whether I do, it's that you do: you stated that foreigners in your own country shouldn't be able to easily arm themselves, and now you are a foreinger and can't easily arm yourself. Apparently you miss the irony of getting what you would seek for others.

In the UK, it is hard (if not impossible) for somebody to get off the plane from Saudi Arabia (say) and go and buy a shot gun in a store. Why should it it be easy?

Because self defense is a basic human right, and regimes that infringe this right deny individual human value.

If it turns out that he just some fat Arab prince that wishes to shoot grouse, then give him a license.

Skinny Arab princes need not apply, LOL!

Licenses are for peasants, "please, sir, may I humbly ask you to allow me to ______" Do you have the right to your life? Yes or no.

But if it turns out to be a young, single, crazy eyed individual, that looks as if he has just come out of an Al-Qaeda training camp - then "NO!

This is what our CIA, etc, is supposed to be able to sort out. They fail (usually - they can't even get current maps of Belgrade (according to them)) but one does not become stronger by making everyone else weaker. Incidentally, it's not like smuggling doesn't exist - certainly it does in your country and also here. So it's not like more gun laws can stop terrorists from getting armed, look at the total failure of drug laws here.

And if I catch you with a shot gun then it's off to the nick (jail)!

I don't support such a prohibition. If someone is a known criminal or terrorist, he should be jailed or killed. If not, then he should have rights, as for self-defense. A basic human right, remember. Though you deny this.

37 posted on 10/26/2002 8:44:51 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
"But if it turns out to be a young, single, crazy eyed individual, that looks as if he has just come out of an Al-Qaeda training camp"

Oh, I see, so you discriminate against young and singles. Also, the official granting the permits could pick and choose who to give the permits to on his pleasure by deciding who, on his perspective have "crazy eyes". And finally, notice that it is not necessary that it be determined, or at least strong suspicion based on real evidence, that the single youth actually came out of an Al-Qaeda camp, but only that he looks like he did. Again, the permission is then totaly arbitrary to the official's whim, in which case it is a priviledge not a right.

Cpt. Sir, pardon me if I am wrong, but from the racist and discriminatory tones of your posts, I am on the impression that the only reason you have guns in England as you state is because that "Cpt Sir" in front of your name gives you sympathies among the permit-granting officials as you seem to belong to a different "cast" from the peasants around you, and that you are glad that the peasants around you aren't allowed to have the guns you do.

Aren't you just upset that, perhaps because Americans don't like cast systems, Taxachussetts doesn't recognize your distinction and denies you access to firearms just like they do with everybody else?

67 posted on 10/26/2002 11:32:58 AM PDT by Sorcha
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