Seditious Website Sponsore by Earthlink?!?! CHECK THIS OUT! (bring your tinfoil hat along)

"www.theforbiddenknowledge.com" ^ | 10-25-2002 | Kip Lange

[Dianna]

Is today the day for wacky web sites?

There is a radio spot which plays during Rush's show that rants on and on about Jewish conspiracies. I ignored it until I heard at the end, "And remember to vote John (Jim?) Condit, Jr for Congress."

I had to go look up the site referenced, just to see what kinda whack this guy is running as. www.realnews247.com

Check it out. I sent him an e-mail telling him he was nuts...awaiting a response. :)

[Kip Lange]

Blah. More anti-semitic crap running around. Seems to be rearing its head more and more. Unfortunately, only thing you can do is...b!tch to whoever is hosting that site. :p Hey, worked for me. :-) Although in the above case, all that got removed were the references to LE and military "making a choice" (now gone from the site, read original posts for the text that was there)...which is fine by me, Mr. Tinfoil Hat can say whatever he wants as long as he's not trying to make it an open appeal to a Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, or John Allen Williams. :p (hey, wait a minute, that's that "three name serial killer" thing...)

--KL

P.S. Mail Fox with this...or O'Reilly...I bet they'd love to file a libel suit. ;-) (is there anything Rupert Murdoch would NOT do for PR? :p)

[Kip Lange]

Kip: Well, I don't see anything remotely seditious about the site pointed out in this post. Perhaps you confuse the 100% unconstitutional Sedition Act President Wilson put to such "good" use in his day for present law...I suggest you look it up before claiming that this violates 1) actual law on sedition or 2) a user contract based on respect of existing laws. In any case, wherever you might have doubts, in absence of a material conspiracy, the right to free speech always trumps your desire to be unbothered by it.

Hey, I got the text changed...something worked, eh? :-) (and that's the only text I wanted outta there...I'm re-reading this thread and I think people got the wrong idea about what was p!ssing me off...if you want to actually know anything about Masons, hell, just pick up _Morals and Dogma_ by Pike...or look at 1,000,000 internet sites just like this that did NOT make an appeal to LE/military).

And at the risk of repeating the obvious, free speech does not mean you have the right to yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater. ;-) Anyway, the stuff is down, mission accomplished, *shrug*, it's back to like any one of a gazillion kookhead sites out there.

Although I'm surprised at the lashing I took here; I'm not trying to interefere with the guy's free speech...I write for a living, so the LAST thing I'm going to say is violate the 1st. 'bout a paragraph of material removed from the whole thing. That's not exactly the end of the world, is it? If you think it is, I have a publisher or two I'd like you to meet...hehe... :P

--KL

[Clinging Bitterly]

>> Although I'm surprised at the lashing I took here; I'm not trying to interefere with the guy's free speech...I write for a living, so the LAST thing I'm going to say is violate the 1st. 'bout a paragraph of material removed from the whole thing. That's not exactly the end of the world, is it?

I dunno. You're not trying to interfere with his free speech, but rather proud of thinking you may have done just that.

Look, there are all kinds of whackjobs in the world and this is just one of them. Others here have indicated that there is a grain of truth in a lot of the things said there, and I didn't have to even go to the site to guess that for myself, because it's something I learned a long time ago. The best way to deal with websites you don't like is to not read them.

As for what you said was the offensive part of it, the suggestion that LE and military consider whether what the're being ordered to do falls within certain parameters, I'd be in agreement with it to an extent. I don't think our troops ' duty is to act under the auspices of the U.N., I don't think LE agents should use military tactics and weapons against our citizens on our soil (especially the idea that collateral damage is becoming acceptable within those ranks, as with Waco in 1993 and Chechnya this week - mass application of an anasthesia to control a mass of people, was plausible, now a reality, and it's said such a chemical agent is being developed for use here in the US - some folks will overdose or have allergic reactions and die, but the price is worth it if it prevents one government employee from being killed or injured in the line of duty). If that's the sort of stuff being addressed there, I'd have to be in agreement with the part of the whole rant that you particulary didn't like.

Dave in Eugene

[Lizard_King]

Look, I'm not in any way trying to give you a "lashing", I'm not even trying to convince you on my purist interpretation of the 1st Amendment. It just so happens that that is what I work on for a living, albeit in the context of academia, and so I generally side with the right of those I despise over the privilege of those I agree with...I am a conservative working for an organization that often has to defend fairly despicable points of view (although far more often it is the good guys who need our help in the current college climate), and in matters of the Bill of Rights I believe it is crucial to adhere to principle...that's all.

Again, I don't know how much experience you have with First Amendment law, but I do know that this website could not possibly have much to do with your obvious example of ""Fire!" in a crowded theater". With clear and present danger as with all restrictions on a right (like obscenity), the legal definition is very clear and specific, and only open to flexible interpretation in the occasional freakish abominations that activist courts produce (which are 95% of the time overturned eventually).

What I suspect had you upset was text (that I never saw on the site by the time I got around to it) that you felt promoted conspiracy and/or treason. In that case, the legal burden would be on you or the prosecution to prove that there was intent and material effort beyond discussion or promotion of a theory or idea here.

Now, the moral question of it is something else entirely. I can see why you have every rational right to be upset by what you say you saw. If I cared enough about loonies on the net, no doubt I would have said much the same to this character. But I hope we have laid to rest your desire to use Earthlink's user contract or other legal recourse to censor this website...public exposure is often more than enough to shut these fools up without need of imperiling civil liberties.

[Capt. Tom]

When I was reading that I was thinking about Lyndon LaRouche. - tom

[WaynesWavWorld]

This is my first time posting to this forum and I think I may have done something wrong because nothing showed up. Normally I would just go on but this guy is a real fruit loop and he is publishing tons of misinformation and needs to be stopped. Probably as a result of your efforts, he is no longer on Earthlink...he has switched on Yahoo so I thought I would give you the current information along with a current email address so that we can all contact him. I told him he was a nut case and needed professional help and that I would pray for him. I was also able to find a little information that may be helpful. Roger Bullock, approx age 39, lives with his father, Ralph Bullock, approx age 71 at 2101 S 324th Street in Federal Way, WA 98003.
According to ariel pictures, I can’t tell exactly what house they live in but the area has lots of small and very closely situated homes...it could be base housing. The guy is probably the son of a career soldier. Here is the info about his current server.
Administrative Contact:
Roger Bullock
Roger Bullock (enigma_067@yahoo.com)
+1.2538359020
Fax:
2101 South 324th St. #16
Federal Way, WA 98003
US

Technical Contact:
Roger Bullock
Roger Bullock (enigma_067@yahoo.com)
+1.2538359020
Fax:
2101 South 324th St. #16
Federal Way, WA 98003
US

Registrant Contact:
Roger Bullock
Roger Bullock (enigma_067@yahoo.com)
+1.2538359020
Fax:
2101 South 324th St. #16
Federal Way, WA 98003
US

Status: Active

Name Servers:
YNS1.YAHOO.COM
YNS2.YAHOO.COM