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Bombardier to unveil new jet-powered locomotive
Canadian Press ^ | October 13, 2002 | ALLAN SWIFT

Posted on 10/13/2002 8:43:46 PM PDT by Black Powder

MONTREAL (CP) - Canada's Bombardier Inc. will roll out this week - in Washington - a jet engine-powered locomotive it has been quietly developing for years in partnership with the U.S. Federal Railroad Administration.

Bombardier believes its 240-kilometres-an-hour JetTrain is the answer to providing high-speed rail service throughout North America using existing track and without the prohibitive cost of electrifying rail networks.

It calls JetTrain the first high-speed, non-electric locomotive designed for the North American market.

It uses a turbine engine to generate power, instead of the diesel engine used in nearly all locomotives in North America for the past 40 years.

Spokesman Warren Flatau of the Railroad Administration said the agency has invested $13 million US in developing the turbine-powered locomotive since about 1997. With Bombardier matching that, JetTrain has cost at least $41 million Cdn so far.

Flatau said JetTrain is just one of several initiatives under that governments and private companies have been exploring as a solution to growing highway congestion in several inter-city corridors in the United States and Canada.

He said the Railroad Administration can't endorse a commercial product "but Bombardier is the company that stepped up to the plate when we put out the word we were interested in doing this project. We believe that the project holds great potential for bringing about the high speed services that people across the country are expressing a desire for."

Flatau said Bombardier and Amtrak are next going to show off the train at various sites where authorities are pushing for high-speed, inter-city service.

He said he doesn't know if it will travel to Canada. Via Rail has just handed in a report requested by Transport Minister David Collenette on how to speed up rail service in the Quebec City-Windsor corridor. Via's best trains reach 150 km/h where track quality permits.

However, as Bombardier Transportation executives show off the 21-metre-long prototype to authorities at Washington's Union Station on Tuesday, Amtrak officials could be excused for a certain skepticism.

Amtrak and Bombardier are in a nasty legal battle over the trouble-plagued Acela Express high-speed electric train recently introduced on the northeast corridor linking Boston, New York and Washington.

There has been a rash of train delays and breakdowns with Acela, the first high-speed train service in North America. Amtrak ordered 18 from Bombardier and its French partner Alstom, and 15 have been delivered.

Although the train is popular thanks to its speed and comfort, Amtrak has vowed never to buy another.

The JetTrain locomotive develops 5,000 horsepower, with about half the weight of some current diesel freight locomotives. Flatau also said it's quiet and has "rather remarkable acceleration capabilities."

Ross Capon, executive director of the National Association of Railroad Passengers, said he is not aware of any non-electric locomotive in service that can reach 240 km/h.

Capon said the big question for JetTrain's market success is how much it costs and how much fuel it requires. "That's going to be one of the main issues."

It is not the first time a jet turbine has been used to move a train.

Jerome Pier, a consultant on the Bombardier design, said there are seven trains operating since 1977 in New York State using jet turbines incorporated into coaches.

Pier, owner of a private consulting group based at Carlisle, Ont., said the "power-car" trains have 3,000 horsepower each, not enough to reach high speeds. He said the JetTrain breaks new ground by its power and speed.

Best known as propulsion engines for jet aircraft, turbines are also adapted to drive backup electrical generators for utilities and to power pipelines.

The JetTrain prototype was assembled at Bombardier's plant in Plattsburgh, N.Y.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amtrak; bombardier; jettrain; passengerrail
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1 posted on 10/13/2002 8:43:46 PM PDT by Black Powder
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To: Willie Green
ping
2 posted on 10/13/2002 8:46:50 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Black Powder
You probably don't want to stand behind this puppy when it accelerates. The jet-wash is invigorating.
3 posted on 10/13/2002 8:49:48 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Black Powder
"Muh kid always wanted a train set for Christmas..."
4 posted on 10/13/2002 8:50:05 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Black Powder
240 km/h is about 145 or 150 miles per hour.

Would be most impressive as Boston-NYC-Wash DC kind of travel.

What we will never see with a high speed train project: a line that goes from a low-tax living area to a high-tax metro area. Once you understand why, you understand why trains are always underwritten by gov't in the USA.

5 posted on 10/13/2002 8:56:19 PM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka
It's a form of welfare, as is most mass transit.
6 posted on 10/13/2002 8:57:56 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Black Powder
existing tracks ? I don't think so. Not at 240mph. New tracks would have to be built in the US at least.
7 posted on 10/13/2002 9:00:59 PM PDT by stalin
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To: Black Powder
Because my left brain is dumber then my right brain I thought this said jet powered Skidoo...
8 posted on 10/13/2002 9:01:28 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: umgud
Is the interstate freeway system welfare ?
9 posted on 10/13/2002 9:01:44 PM PDT by stalin
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To: umgud
The jetwash would be buffered and deflected out the top of the train. The story says the train would be non-electric, but that's surely not right. No doubt the turbine will turn an electric generator, which will power motors on the train's axles. This is the same principle used by diesel trains.
10 posted on 10/13/2002 9:04:33 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Black Powder
Unless they can make it fly, Americans aint gonna ride in it.
11 posted on 10/13/2002 9:05:14 PM PDT by Mensch
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To: Black Powder
With Bombardier matching that, JetTrain has cost at least $41 million Cdn so far.

Seems quite the deal once you factor in the exchange rate...

12 posted on 10/13/2002 9:05:50 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: Black Powder
Ross Capon, executive director of the National Association of Railroad Passengers, said he is not aware of any non-electric locomotive in service that can reach 240 km/h.

And I am not aware of any electric airplanes that can reach the speed of sound.

13 posted on 10/13/2002 9:06:42 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: Black Powder
Back in the '50s either Baldwin or Alco (I think) developed 2 turbine powered locomotives - one a steam turbine, the other a gas turbine (jet engine) - both burned #1 or #2 fuel oil (kerosene/jet fuel/diesel) - both direct drive thru gearboxes to the wheels. The steam turbine (condensing) was actually the better of the 2, but both cost waaayyyy more that the new diesel-electrics so the prototypes were all that were built.
14 posted on 10/13/2002 9:07:08 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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15 posted on 10/13/2002 9:11:02 PM PDT by Consort
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To: ikka
As long as miles and miles of track are unprotected, we won't see this happen. All it will take is a small charge while one of these trains are approaching to cause the whole thing to, literally, fly off the track killing everyone aboard. Then trains would be as risky as planes.
16 posted on 10/13/2002 9:16:08 PM PDT by paul544
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To: ArcLight
The jetwash would be buffered and deflected out the top of the train.

I wonder what effect the upward exhaust would have on tunnels and bridges the trains have to go under. Hopefully it would be no stronger than anything else in use at this time - or I can envision a scenario of cars getting blown off of bridges as a train goes under.
17 posted on 10/13/2002 9:20:07 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: evolved_rage
Thanks for the ping!
I have not heard of this technology before, and am interested in finding out more about how it works.
At first glance, it seems slightly slower than electric high-speed rail, but I'm sure that's something they'd address with further refinement. I'm also curious whether this "jet" turbine is actually connected to some kind of transmission to drive the trains wheels, or whether it simply relies on thrust exactly like a jet airliner. (If that's the case, how do they mount the engines, and what about noise?)
I also have to admit to a preference for electric over this jet engine approach, simply to further reduce our consumption of imported oil. But once again, I'd have to investigate the details of this technology before committing to a final position. Maybe it's more fuel efficient than traditional diesel/electric. I dunno.

Thanks again for the heads-up! It's nice to see companies doing R&D in the area.
(It's a crying shame that domestic locomotive manufacturers (like GE) have given up trying to compete in this technology. But that's the legacy of boneheaded globalists like Jack Welch. Don't actually compete, just maximize the lifeblood that you can suck out of existing technology. What a wimp.

18 posted on 10/13/2002 9:20:46 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: paul544
As long as miles and miles of track are unprotected, we won't see this happen.

Not just from terrorists, but from cars. If you've ever ridden the TGV in France, you'll note that they're well-protected high speed lines. There aren't really any road crossings. (only very, very few.) The roads were raised or lowered to go over or under the trains.

On top of that, the tracks are fenced in to protect them from deer...and people. There are game tunnels to facilitate movement.
19 posted on 10/13/2002 9:23:46 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: July 4th
>If you've ever ridden the TGV in France

Yep, it's a great ride. Took it from Brittany to Paris.

20 posted on 10/13/2002 9:32:12 PM PDT by LostTribe
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