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"Robert Heinlein Remembered"
Lever Action Essays ^ | 1988 | L.Neil Smith

Posted on 10/12/2002 11:20:11 PM PDT by redrock

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To: AuntB
Stupidity is painful, unfortunately to those of us who think!! :-)))
61 posted on 10/13/2002 11:02:39 AM PDT by Brytani
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To: redrock
My 7 year old daughter is starting to get interested in Heinlein's books........ ..don't know which one I should start her off with tho.

In 1970, I stumbled across the one and only Heinlein book in my woefully-understocked Junior High School library: "Have Space Suit, Will Travel."

I was eleven at the time, but a bright seven-year-old could doubtless get a lot of fun out of it. (One of the two main characters is a 10-year-old girl, the other a 17-18 year old boy.)

Kip and Peewee are brought together through an unlikely set of circumstances, beginning an odyssey that takes them from the moon to Pluto to a planet in the Vega star system.

Like the 1950's TV show from which the title is adapted, good and bad characters are clearly defined (there's a monster for conflict and an empath for comfort.)

And there's not a hint of sex anywhere in the book.

That does not make it a "kiddie-book," however. You don't remember a kid's book as an adult and think: "So THAT's what he meant by rotation in a fourth spatial dimension!"

Part of "Space Suit's" charm is its ability to function on whatever level the reader can accept. It's great fun at any age, and surely a great Heinlein starter piece.

62 posted on 10/13/2002 11:39:06 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: redrock

Podkayne of Mars

ISBN: 0671876716

...has a young female main character...

63 posted on 10/13/2002 11:39:28 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: redrock
I was rereading Van Vogt's "Weapon Shops of Isher" the other day when it occurred that modern books are edited and published almost exclusively by liberals. Conservative values are nonexistent in modern literature

Conservative books when they're published, make the NY Times top ten list. Wouldn't conservative type fiction also top the list? I'm ready to buy. I'll buy the book, I'll watch the movie. Any publishers out there with the courage to hire a conservative editor to find fiction for over half the population (many liberals are hardly literate)

I loved Starship Troopers and felt that the movie did the novel a great disservice. Instead of treating the ideas of the novel seriously (whatever you think of them, good or ill), the movie simply mocked the ideas and turned itself into a mindless, meaningless space opera. It couldn't even get the space opera element right, as it ignored two of the coolest elements of the book: the tactical nukes and the powered armor. d the novel a great disservice. Instead of treating the ideas of the novel seriously (whatever you think of them, good or ill), the movie simply mocked the ideas and turned itself into a mindless, meaningless space opera. It couldn't even get the space opera element right, as it ignored two of the coolest elements of the book: the tactical nukes and the powered armor.

64 posted on 10/13/2002 12:11:29 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Rose in RoseBear; JenB; Sam Cree
Pinging some folks who might enjoy the read....
65 posted on 10/13/2002 12:16:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thanks, Bear
66 posted on 10/13/2002 12:20:19 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: redrock; nunya bidness; Lurker; OWK
There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.
67 posted on 10/13/2002 1:05:35 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: Finny
"(The older I get, the more I think atheism is naive ...). Heinlein does not recognize God's image in himself."

When asked why he didn't have himself frozen for possible future ressurection in body, Heinlein replied "..it might interfere with re-birth." You obviously need to learn a LOT more about the man.

69 posted on 10/13/2002 2:23:10 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: stylin_geek
"Robert A. Heinlein was one of several excellent SF writers who came along at the same time. Philip K. Dick, James Blish, Gordon R. Dickson, Alfred Bester, Arthur C. Clarke, and Isaac Asimov are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head."

Heinlein was head and shoulder above any of the ones you mention. One can re-read his fiction over and over, and find new facets of meaning every time. Asimov's stuff, by comparison, is fluff.

70 posted on 10/13/2002 2:28:28 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: JURB
Often, Stranger in a Strange Land is cited as his best work (as it caused quite a stir amongst the counter-culture); but, frankly, I found it rotten: boring, didactic, and morally suspect.

I too found Stranger in a Strange Land to be mediocre. My personal favorite, though, was Time Enough For Love. Great book.

71 posted on 10/13/2002 2:41:35 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: redrock
I recommend "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel"

L

72 posted on 10/13/2002 2:53:17 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: Lurker
Bump for afternoon folks

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
73 posted on 10/13/2002 3:10:05 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: Wonder Warthog
Yeah, Isaac Asmiov's "Foundation" series, and his "Three laws of Robotics" were fluff all right. Along with James Blish and his "Cites in Flight."

I will not disagree that Robert Heinlein led the pack, however, at least I admit there are others who were part of an outstanding generation of SF writers. The likes of which we will probably never see again. Sounds to me like you are rather narrow minded in your experience and viewpoint, which makes it easy for me to dismiss you, just as you dismiss the other writers I mention.

74 posted on 10/13/2002 3:11:42 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
"Yeah, Isaac Asmiov's "Foundation" series, and his "Three laws of Robotics" were fluff all right. Along with James Blish and his "Cites in Flight.""

Yup, read'em all. Have'em in my collection of at about 1000 SF and fantasy titles. Compared to Heinlein, Asimov is fluff. Blish is better than Asimov, but still not up to Heinlein. The best thing Asimov wrote was the short story "Nightfall". It comes "close" to matching Heinlein at his best, but for book-length writing, Asimov's writing is almost one-dimensional compared to Heinlein.

Been reading SF for about forty years, and been subscribing to Analog for at least thirty.

"Sounds to me like you are rather narrow minded in your experience and viewpoint, which makes it easy for me to dismiss you, just as you dismiss the other writers I mention."

See paragraph above.

75 posted on 10/13/2002 3:31:29 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I owned all of them at one time or another, at least, the SF, as I did not really go that much for Science Fantasy. I gave up on SF, because I considered the genre has degenerated to the point of being virtually unreadable. Also, about 20 years ago I discovered history, and prefer non-fiction to fiction these days.

A couple of newer SF writers I like are Keith Laumer and Joe Haldeman. Haldeman did write the antithesis to "Starship Troopers" when he wrote "The Forever War." As for Laumer, his "Bolo" series is great, along with his amusing tongue-in-cheek "James Retief."

Robert Heinlein is not the end all and be all of SF writing. He may have been at the forefront, but he had some magnificient company when it comes to writing SF.

76 posted on 10/13/2002 3:50:54 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: Wonder Warthog
re: your post #75

I agree with you about Asimov, although I think 'The Billiard Ball' and 'The Last Question' were his best short stories. I remember reading The Foundation Trilogy at the shore one summer as a teen - - it was another book I had ordered from the Science Fiction Book Club at the time, what, 1969 or so? I enjoyed it, but Heinlein it wasn't.

77 posted on 10/13/2002 3:54:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: redrock
I have a reading list for teens that begins with "Stranger In A Strange land" By Robert Heinlein and "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Adams.

Both of these works present alternate thinking on the questions that torment Humanity.

Like the author of this essay, I to am very indebted to Heinlein for life's guidelines. There are many on Free Republic who really need a big dose of his ideas.

I guess my favorite is Job. I learned there to deal without certainty and that I need a trade. That is, something I like to do and can do well, in addition to my chosen vocation. RH recommended dishwasher as an honest trade and one always in demand.

For those of you hideabound FReepers reading this thread..... sample something the man wrote. Then try not to read more from his long list of books.

He was a fantastic American author. I hope this thread goes to 10,000

78 posted on 10/13/2002 4:25:00 PM PDT by bert
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To: JURB
I think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to be the pinnacle of Heinlein's talents and one of the best science fiction books of all time.

Should be:
I think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to be the pinnacle of Heinlein's talents and one of the best science fiction books of all time.

79 posted on 10/13/2002 4:47:31 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: JURB
Never liked SIASL, had to read it in school....one of the few of his I've read is one of my favorite novels: Job: A Comedy of Justice. I can't get into heavy-duty sci-fi, so the Lazarus Long series has scared me off, but I don't know what else to read of his. Any suggestions? Can The Moon is a Harsh Mistress stand alone or is it part of a series?
80 posted on 10/13/2002 4:49:02 PM PDT by stands2reason
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