[summer]

You two guys have a habit of overlooking every good thing Gov Bush has done in his term in office which even you, as diehard conservatives, could be very proud of. He promised to ban partial birth abortion; he did. Would you prefer he take the McMumble position on this and every issue, and mumble about it? He promised to cut the size of government, and he DID - he eve got sued for doing it. And, you can ask just about any Dem voter who works in state government, and they wil ltell you all above "Service First," Gov. Bush's initiative to cut government. Gov Bush wanted parents to have more choice in education - and FL is the only state in this country to have not one, not two, but three voucher programs. Are these "liberal" ideas run amuck in FL? Yes, Gov Bush has also managed to win the endorsement of the largest Jewish publication (The Jewish Journal), and has appealed to many teachers (including myself) and independents, but so what? Did you want every voter to run away from a solid record that you two both ignore?

[summer]

Re my above posts: he eve = he even

[caltrop]

summer, after the volumes we've exchanged I'd have thought you'd have given up trying to sell me on JEB's performance by having me read his press releases by now. I've been watching JEB for eight years. The guy's a Rockefeller Republican who does just enough to snow those conservatives who, like wives whose husbands run around, choose to believe what they want to believe.

[ghostrider]

If all was as simple as you say, then I might see it as you. But it is not so simple.

He promised to cut the size of government, and he DID

Yes he did. He simply said to cut each agency 25 percent. There was little effort to explain where, how, or why. Much of the cut was shifting money from state workers to private contractors without detailed explanations to show savings or which contractors may have been big contributors.

And, you can ask just about any Dem voter who works in state government, and they will tell you all above "Service First," Gov. Bush's initiative to cut government.

I know Demos and Repos that work in State government. I am not going to get into a debate about that spin other than to mention that it was discredited by the consultant that the State hired to justify it. I would be very curious to see the sample of state workers that you used to draw any positive conclusions about Service First.

parents to have more choice in education - and FL is the only state in this country to have not one, not two, but three voucher programs

This is all true, but again it is simplistic. I have kids in the school public system, and it is degraded to a shameful state. Most of the mess is the result of malignant liberal ideas and was happening before Jeb. However, nothing has improved except the campaign yarns.

Did you want every voter to run away from a solid record that you two both ignore?

Even clinton claimed to have a solid record - and still does. Even the so-called debates were like this. Claim and counter claim. No detailed analysis of facts. They were just a superficial polishing of campaign spins.

I am not a Dem and I am not a McBride supporter. I am an American with an opinion, and I am sick and tired of politicians and political parties trying trample on those with opinions different to their own and to negatively motivate us with hate messages (Demos==> filth, race & illiteracy ; Repos==> lardbricks, tax cuts & abortion). On the bottom line neither party really cares much about the American people, who are merely vassals to be used in their pursuit of power - and control of the enormous funds in government coffers. And, I am absolutely disgusted with a political process is so totally funded by external special interest money that local voters are no longer of consequence. Clearly political donations are nothing more than legal bribes run amuck.

Our political processes and oligopoly media are so corrupt and stuffed with big money, that I see no way for the hypothetical American Democracy to function as a true democracy. Indeed the last few years of nationwide election fraud shows that we are fast becoming a Banana Republic Democracy. In the end, caltrop's idea of split government seems to be the best our bad choices. As in the old west, when they couldn't defend themselves from the thieves and murderers, they often hired one to fight the other.