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To: summer; caltrop
If all was as simple as you say, then I might see it as you. But it is not so simple.

He promised to cut the size of government, and he DID

Yes he did. He simply said to cut each agency 25 percent. There was little effort to explain where, how, or why. Much of the cut was shifting money from state workers to private contractors without detailed explanations to show savings or which contractors may have been big contributors.

And, you can ask just about any Dem voter who works in state government, and they will tell you all above "Service First," Gov. Bush's initiative to cut government.

I know Demos and Repos that work in State government. I am not going to get into a debate about that spin other than to mention that it was discredited by the consultant that the State hired to justify it. I would be very curious to see the sample of state workers that you used to draw any positive conclusions about Service First.

parents to have more choice in education - and FL is the only state in this country to have not one, not two, but three voucher programs

This is all true, but again it is simplistic. I have kids in the school public system, and it is degraded to a shameful state. Most of the mess is the result of malignant liberal ideas and was happening before Jeb. However, nothing has improved except the campaign yarns.

Did you want every voter to run away from a solid record that you two both ignore?

Even clinton claimed to have a solid record - and still does. Even the so-called debates were like this. Claim and counter claim. No detailed analysis of facts. They were just a superficial polishing of campaign spins.

I am not a Dem and I am not a McBride supporter. I am an American with an opinion, and I am sick and tired of politicians and political parties trying trample on those with opinions different to their own and to negatively motivate us with hate messages (Demos==> filth, race & illiteracy ; Repos==> lardbricks, tax cuts & abortion). On the bottom line neither party really cares much about the American people, who are merely vassals to be used in their pursuit of power - and control of the enormous funds in government coffers. And, I am absolutely disgusted with a political process is so totally funded by external special interest money that local voters are no longer of consequence. Clearly political donations are nothing more than legal bribes run amuck.

Our political processes and oligopoly media are so corrupt and stuffed with big money, that I see no way for the hypothetical American Democracy to function as a true democracy. Indeed the last few years of nationwide election fraud shows that we are fast becoming a Banana Republic Democracy. In the end, caltrop's idea of split government seems to be the best our bad choices. As in the old west, when they couldn't defend themselves from the thieves and murderers, they often hired one to fight the other.

25 posted on 10/13/2002 6:57:03 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider
I have kids in the school public system, and it is degraded to a shameful state

ghostrider, I teach in FL's public school system, and I can tell you that parents I have met told me they pulled their kids out of private school to go to a school they believed was better, based on the school grade and parents' comments, and that school is a public school.

In addition, FL under Gov Bush has more Nationally Certified teachers than every state but one, and before Gov Bush took office, we had amost none. Teachers are working hard in this state, and there is nothing "shameful" about that.

Also, FL has one of the most difficult student populations in the country, as it is highly transient, with lots of migrants workers, and, it has many students who do not speak English as a first language.

If you are unhappy with your public school, look for a better one, and you can thank Gov Bush for encouraging school districts to offer you the option to choose whatever public school you want. Surely there is a better one not too far from wherever you live. Even Bill McMumble won't take his kids out of public schools here in FL, and if the schools were really as bad as he says they are, I am sure he would have taken his kids out long ago.

As for your other comments - I think political leaders who try to change the existing systems have it rough, because no matter what they do, people are highly critical. State workers hated Service First (even though, BTW, they all got raises after 9-11 at a time when others in the country were being laid off), and people like you claim it was not good enough.

I still say what Gov Bush did is better than a candidate like McMumble who has no plans to do anything.
26 posted on 10/13/2002 7:16:29 AM PDT by summer
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