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Phone solicitor fired over rebel flag tattoo
SP Times ^ | 11 October 2002 | MIKE BRASSFIELD

Posted on 10/11/2002 10:16:23 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

ST. PETERSBURG -- Vincent Bonnain, a lifelong construction worker, had finally found a job indoors that he liked, working as a telemarketer.

Things seemed to be going well until lunchtime Wednesday, his second day on the job, when he was abruptly told he was fired.

The problem: the Confederate flag tattoo on Bonnain's forearm, along with the tattooed words, "Born a rebel, die a rebel." Apparently the tattoo didn't sit well with the mortgage refinancing company he was working for.

"I really enjoyed my job. I told them, "I'll cover it up. I'll wear long-sleeved shirts. I'll have it removed.' They said, "No, no way,' " said Bonnain, 43, of St. Petersburg. "I'm not a racist. Years and years ago, I got a tattoo. It's part of my heritage. There's nothing derogatory about it."

For 1 1/2 days, Bonnain was a phone solicitor for Mortgage Investors Corp., which refinances VA and FHA loans. From the company's headquarters at 6090 Central Ave., Bonnain would call veterans across the country and pitch the company's streamlined refinancing to them, trying to set up appointments for regional sales representatives.

Company officials would not comment on Bonnain's firing.

"From a legal standpoint, generally we do not talk about terminations," said Dick Blyler, chief corporate counsel for the company.

Bonnain says no one mentioned his faded tattoo before he was fired. He feels that his First Amendment rights are being violated. He's looking for an attorney.

Unfortunately for Bonnain, he probably has few legal options, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

"If he's a telemarketer talking to people on the telephone, and he's got a tattoo, how does that affect his ability to do the job?" said Randall Marshall, legal director for the ACLU of Florida.

"But in Florida, essentially you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all, as long as it doesn't violate any clearly established laws," Marshall said. "The First Amendment only protects you from government action, and here you've got a private employer."

Bonnain was making $9 an hour, with a $20 bonus if an appointment resulted in a refinancing. He said an injury on a previous job left him too disabled to work construction anymore.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: battleflag; culture; dixie; dixielist; harrassment; heritage; rebel; standrewscross; stpetersburg; tattoo
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1 posted on 10/11/2002 10:16:23 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: wardaddy; TomServo; WhowasGustavusFox; sheltonmac; SonnyBubba; wirestripper; Jasper; ...
Another unbelievable story!
2 posted on 10/11/2002 10:17:18 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Geez, I worked in a boiler room for a while, and I thought tattoos and missing teeth were a job requirement, looking around me. This guy's job with a mortgage company sounds more respectable than the one I had, selling copying machine toner.
3 posted on 10/11/2002 10:19:19 AM PDT by MoralSense
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To: stainlessbanner
Not unbelievable. Lots of corporations today will fire employees who have any tatoos. I had a guy working for me who had a spider tatoo on his forearm. It was like 30 years old (he was in his fifties). I protected him until they RIF'ed me, and they RIF'ed him at the same time. They never felt he fit in with the "culture" because he had a tatoo (plus he was older).
4 posted on 10/11/2002 10:21:05 AM PDT by dark_lord
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To: stainlessbanner
If he was black with a "MLK" tatoo - would he still have been fired?
5 posted on 10/11/2002 10:24:07 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: stainlessbanner
Bonnain was making $9 an hour, with a $20 bonus if an appointment resulted in a refinancing.
I love these 'bonuses' that companies give out. You bring in something that nets us thousands of dollars a year and we'll buy you and your kids a meal at McDonald's!
I can't believe anyone would agree to refinance their house based on a phone call from someone that could be making it all up. Bah telemarketers.
6 posted on 10/11/2002 10:25:46 AM PDT by lelio
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To: 2banana
Maybe, but the ACLU would have been on his doorstep the same afternoon.
7 posted on 10/11/2002 10:27:24 AM PDT by alancarp
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To: stainlessbanner
Kinda makes you wish ALL telemarketers would get rebel flag tatoos.
8 posted on 10/11/2002 10:27:33 AM PDT by Huck
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To: stainlessbanner
working as a telemarketer.

The next time a telemarketer calls me I will tell them I have a tattoo and I'm sure thet don't want to do business with me.

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Flyer

9 posted on 10/11/2002 10:27:38 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: 2banana
If he was black with a "MLK" tatoo - would he still have been fired?

I believe the ACLU would show a little more interest in a case like that than they did with this one.

(Gee, y'think?)

10 posted on 10/11/2002 10:29:47 AM PDT by Marauder
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"I really enjoyed my job. I told them, "I'll cover it up. I'll wear long-sleeved shirts. I'll have it removed.'

What a wimp.

11 posted on 10/11/2002 10:31:12 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: stainlessbanner
There are times to get good lawyers.
12 posted on 10/11/2002 10:34:08 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Huck
I've got telemarketers working for me that have tattoos on their face. It would take more than a rebel flag tattoo to stop me from hiring some one.

That said, I think this company is well within their rights as an employer. If they are in a market where they can easily replace fired agents, they can be as picky as they want to be.

As for me, I put a lot of work into keeping the ones I have. If my Human Resources department would let me use whiskey and cigarettes for incentives I could revolutionize the industry!
13 posted on 10/11/2002 10:42:39 AM PDT by shempy
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What a wimp.

No, protecting himself legally, showing his flexibility and willingness to work with these cultural snots.

Guess he forgot to show them his new Oldsmobile, his Bill Blass suits, and his tennis-club membership. And his BBA degree. Then he'd have fit in.

Florida may be an employment-at-will state, but they can't fire you for voting Republican or showing Dixiecrat colors. There are still some things they can't do. They can't make you vote right, not vote, or live in substandard company quarters. ACLU needs to get off its duff and start whipping up a Fourteenth Amendment/First Amendment case.

14 posted on 10/11/2002 10:45:33 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: stainlessbanner
"But in Florida, essentially you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all, as long as it doesn't violate any clearly established laws," Marshall said."

Yeah, and those "clearly established laws" protect certain classes of people. Try to fire one of them "for any reason or for no reason at all" and you're looking at a lawsuit.

The only way this guy will get the equal protection to which he is entitled is to have a "clearly established law" protecting a white guy with a tattoo.

15 posted on 10/11/2002 10:48:05 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: lentulusgracchus
In 'right to work' states you can be fired for any reason, or no reason. Unless your a member of a protected minority that is.
16 posted on 10/11/2002 10:52:28 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: stainlessbanner
"But in Florida, essentially you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all, as long as it doesn't violate any clearly established laws," Marshall said. "The First Amendment only protects you from government action, and here you've got a private employer."

The ACLU is right for once.

18 posted on 10/11/2002 10:55:40 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: lentulusgracchus
(correction to previous post)

Florida may be an employment-at-will state, but they can't fire you for voting Republican or showing Dixiecrat colors.

They can't? If its an employment-at-will state, you can be fired 'cause they don't like the way you color-coordinate your slacks and shirt. IOW, any reason (except very specific, civil rights-based criteria). And, a tat doesn't fall into that category.

A good friend of mine in Texas recently was fired because he "looked insolently" at the boss one day. That was the OFFICIAL reason given for his termination. His attorney told him that he didn't have a leg to stand on either - no unemployment insurance, no nothing.

19 posted on 10/11/2002 10:56:38 AM PDT by strela
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To: stainlessbanner
Employers should be allowed to hire or fire anyone for any reason. Employees should be allowed to quite any job for any reason. Simple economics. Free market, Free republic rules.
20 posted on 10/11/2002 11:00:11 AM PDT by not too stupid
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