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IBM processor hints at Apple's 64-bit future
EE Times ^ | October 10, 2002 | Rick Merritt

Posted on 10/10/2002 12:21:04 PM PDT by HAL9000

SAN MATEO, Calif. — IBM Corp. may give a peek into Apple Computer Inc.'s 64-bit future when it details a new version of its Power4 microprocessor next week. Aimed for use in desktops and low-end servers, the 64-bit Power4 could be IBM's first PowerPC-compatible chip to support the Altivec multimedia instruction extensions defined by Apple and Motorola Inc.

The IBM device is one of about 18 new processors that will be described at the Microprocessor Forum 2002, to be held Oct. 14-17. "I expect there will be a fair amount of discussion about this part," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor-in-chief of The Microprocessor Report, which hosts the annual gathering.

Unlike IBM's original Power4, the device to be described next week will use one, not two, internal processor core and will support extensions that make the Power4 compatible with the PowerPC architecture. "Because it supports a full 32-bit environment, this chip should be able to boot the Mac OS just fine," Glaskowsky said.

An IBM spokesman would not say if Apple plans to use the chip to move its desktops to a full 64-bit operating system.

"Apple would have to be crazy not to use this part," said Glaskowsky. "Its performance will be in the upper reaches of any CPU. I can't comment on its speeds, but they are good numbers. Apple would be able to produce for the first time machines that not only have great performance but support full 64-bit addressing."

The chips could be used in Apple's new line of Xserve servers even in a 32-bit mode. However, Apple would have to heavily rework its Mac OS, which has just gone through a major release cycle, to support 64-bit addressing. Therefore the company, which keeps a tight lid on unannounced products, might not be ready to detail its plans for the chip until the end of 2003.

"Apple has a whole lot of work to do to fully make use of this part," said Glaskowsky of the chip, which sports an eight-stage superscalar pipeline and supports symmetric multiprocessing.

Likely reference

The new Power4 also includes "a vector processing unit implementing over 160 specialized vector instructions," according to the conference program. That's likely a reference to the Altivec instruction set defined by Motorola and Apple to boost multimedia performance by providing special vector processing capabilities in the PowerPC instruction set.

IBM had focused for some time on building fast PowerPC parts for Apple, rather than adopting the relatively complex Altivec extensions. The new Power4 seems to mark a change in course.

Among other news at MPF next week, startup MemoryLogix will announce a Pentium II-class synthesizeable X86-compatible core for embedded applications. The part's die size and cost will be comparable to current 486 parts, Glaskowsky said. It will be capable of running at several hundred MHz, and users will be able to customize the chip's cache size and elect whether or not it uses a floating-point processor, he added.

Applied Micro Circuits Corp., Intel Corp. and Cisco Systems Inc. will discuss separate 10-Gbit/second network processing units at the conference. The parts are all enhancements to existing 10-Gbit/s NPUs. Intel's offering sports "one feature I think a lot of people will find surprising," Glaskowsky said.

The Cisco T3 is the company's third-generation Toaster network processor designed for internal use on Cisco systems. "Seeing what Cisco has done and how fairly straightforward their device is should be interesting — especially since it means this company will not be a customer for some other vendors," Glaskowsky said.

Among embedded processors, Tensilica Inc. will discuss a new VLIW platform that will become a base architecture for the company. And Motorola will detail version 5 of its ColdFire embedded 32-bit processor.

For its part, ARM Ltd. will discuss the first two ARM 11 processors. The "400-MHz+ cores feature an 8-stage pipeline, a new memory system, a vector floating-point unit, and a quad 64-bit Amba AHB-lite bus interface," according to the conference agenda.

"These processors sort of stretch how much performance you might want to have in a cellphone, but they should find good use in PDAs," Glaskowsky said.

Separately, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. will discuss its plans for a 1.2-GHz version of an ARM 10 processor built in a 130-nanometer (0.13-micron) process.



TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; gigaprocessor; gpul; ibm; linux; macuserlist
I'm looking forward to seeing the benchmarks next week.
1 posted on 10/10/2002 12:21:06 PM PDT by HAL9000
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2 posted on 10/10/2002 12:23:59 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: HAL9000
What kind of number do you expecet? Will this be workin in the 1-2 Gigaflops range?
3 posted on 10/10/2002 12:28:42 PM PDT by Texas_Longhorn
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To: HAL9000
Know if there is anything brewing in memory-mapped file systems or other cool hacks that would take interesting advanatge of 64 bit addressing in a *BSD or Linux workstation system?
4 posted on 10/10/2002 12:38:47 PM PDT by eno_
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To: HAL9000
I wonder if the first MPU's will be actual "working" 64 bit, or 32 bit capable castoffs?

If I get suckered by another SX scam system, I will be most extremely "ticked" off.

5 posted on 10/10/2002 12:49:25 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: Texas_Longhorn
What kind of number do you expecet? Will this be workin in the 1-2 Gigaflops range?

I haven't seen any speculation on floating point performance yet, but with an integrated vector processor and high memory bandwidth (6.4 GB/sec), it ought to be plenty fast.

The eight-stage pipeline should give a big boost to integer performance too.

6 posted on 10/10/2002 12:58:47 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I got one already. I'm downloading tomorrow's FR threads as we speak.
7 posted on 10/10/2002 1:06:40 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: HAL9000
Does this mean that the day could come that I could load the MacOS onto a Pentium-based box? I am a Mac user, and although I appreciate Apple's hardware, it is the OS that I want more than anything.
8 posted on 10/10/2002 1:06:49 PM PDT by Semper911
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9 posted on 10/10/2002 1:10:06 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Semper911
Does this mean that the day could come that I could load the MacOS onto a Pentium-based box? I am a Mac user, and although I appreciate Apple's hardware, it is the OS that I want more than anything.

Sorry, the new IBM chip is not based on Pentium/x86. It is based on IBM's Power4 RISC architecture, which is closely related to the PowerPC. So this will not get Mac OS X running on a Pentium.

But it should be capable of running an x86 emulation with decent speed.

10 posted on 10/10/2002 1:24:45 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
If I'm not mistaken, I believe I am currently configuring a new RS/6000 p620 with 4 of these chips installed.
11 posted on 10/10/2002 2:19:59 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: HAL9000
"Apple would have to be crazy not to use this part," said Glaskowsky. "Its performance will be in the upper reaches of any CPU. I can't comment on its speeds, but they are good numbers. Apple would be able to produce for the first time machines that not only have great performance but support full 64-bit addressing."

Unless they've significantly cut the power consumption from the current Power4, don't hold your breath waiting for this thing to appear in laptops ;)

12 posted on 10/10/2002 2:37:54 PM PDT by general_re
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To: HAL9000
Check out the whitepaper on it here.

POWER4 System Microarchitecture

Of course if you were using OS400 you'd be taking advantage of full 64 bit right now. With up to 32 of these bad boys together.
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13 posted on 10/10/2002 3:10:10 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Ben Hecks
I'm downloading tomorrow's FR threads as we speak.

I assume you already got the stock quotes?

14 posted on 10/10/2002 3:17:50 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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