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To: steveegg
So the union should do what, in your opinion?
61 posted on 10/08/2002 11:16:45 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
They should have been honest in their tactics and struck taking any and all consequences (including replacement) if they thought that it wasn't worth doing 100% of the work for 100% of the pay.
69 posted on 10/08/2002 11:19:53 AM PDT by steveegg
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Oh, by the way, thanks for ignoring the question. Here it is again, re-written so that it will take either 2 or 3 letters to answer.

Are you justifying the union thugs slowing things down by 60%, knowing that (a) they'll be paid 100% of their salary and (b) the dock owners can't do ANYTHING about it?

71 posted on 10/08/2002 11:21:27 AM PDT by steveegg
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To: Billy_bob_bob
So the union should do what, in your opinion?

The union should compete in the free market like everyone else. If someone else is willing to sell their labor for less than the union demands, they should be able to work for the company (sell their labor). WITHOUT GETTING A BALLBAT UPSIDE THE HEAD.

Flipside, if someone doesn't want to work for the going market value for the labor they're providing, they're free to find another line of work.

Obviously, I have no respect for unions in their present form. They use thug tactics to enforce their monopoly on the labor pool, and fight any efficiencies inherent in the free market.

82 posted on 10/08/2002 11:25:40 AM PDT by MrB
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To: Billy_bob_bob
So the union should do what, in your opinion

So, there should not be one local that is represented for all the west coast ports. Imagine if GM, Ford, Chrysler, and all the smaller auto makers, it's parts suppliers and others were represented by one local? Imagine if all steel companies were represented by one local??

Same goes to the management side. No one employer should represent all the interests of all west coast ports of entry.

If the union and management of a facility are at odds, then there should be a competitive alternative for both sides. If there's a strike/lockout in Oakland, shippers should have an alternative, just like a worker should have the alternative to work elsewhere if he doesn't like it, and just as management knows that it must negotiate for its own port to remain competitive with the shipper's alternatives.

Whether labor knows it or not, they're in big long term trouble, because past negotiations have been so onesided against management's competitiveness, that they're forcing bankruptcy, and huge unfunded pension liabilities, that defunct companies cannnot and will never pay.

So now government steps in, and forms a bailout of the unfunded pensions, and you know who now foots that bill------You Do!

91 posted on 10/08/2002 11:30:25 AM PDT by aShepard
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