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Red Storm Rising Over Latin America
USA Daily ^ | October 4, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 10/07/2002 7:35:55 AM PDT by rightwing2

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Thankfully, we were spared a first round victory by the Communist coalition candidate known simply as "Lula." Although Lula took 47% of the vote yesterday, he needed 50% to avoid a runoff with second place challenger, Jose Serra. Serra ran stronger than expected with 24% of the vote. He is much more moderate than Lula though still a leftist. The Bush Administration needs to take urgent action to avert a Lula victory on October 27th possibly including covert funding and campaign advice for the Serra campaign, which though not pro-America is not anti-America either. A Lula victory in Brazil will result in a default of the Brazilian national debt with widespread economic and political repercussions throughout the Hemisphere.

The election of a former Communist and current Communist coalition leader like Lula will inaugerate a new Cold War in Latin America to be played out between the US and its enemies who are members of the Sino-Russian rogue state axis. Its going to get interesting. It will be very unfortunate if Lula elects a lot of socialists to Congress on his substantial coattails because it is the Brazilian Congress that is the country's best hope for opposing Lula's Marxist and anti-American policies. Lula is backed by two Communist parties, two Marxist parties and one centrist party a coalition which could give him a pretty strong voting bloc in Congress. His party alone may have won nearly 30% of the seats in play.

Lula isn't going to need many votes from his fellow Marxists and socialists who were defeated to win the final vote in three weeks. Gomes is the candidate of a party that broke off from one of Brazil's two Communist Presidents ten years ago. Lula should have most of those votes in the bag. Serra on the other hand has got a long road to hoe to pull off an upset. Perhaps, the US should start covertly funneling money to his campaign just like we did to the democratically elected President of Yugoslavia to defeat another Communist President.

If Lula is elected President later this month, we can start asking the question "who lost Brazil" and why the Bush Administration failed to do anything to speak out or try to avert this disturbing outcome. The Bush Administration's massive neglect of Latin America is about to reap BIG dividends for Castro's strategy of Communizing the whole of Latin America. Based on their inaction, which may be explained by the President's illogical fixation on non-threat Saddam Hussein, the Administration appears to lack any concept of the much greater threat which Lula's Communist takeover of Brazil will mean for the US. Brazil built, but never tested, two atomic bombs in the early 1990s. Look for Lula to test one sometime soon and make Brazil the world's newest nuclear power. Lula has pledged to aid Marxist takeovers of Argentina, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay and Columbia. He has pleged to ally himself militarily with Communist China. Things are about to get very hairy for us in our own hemisphere.

You can find part 2 at the following URL address:

Red Storm Rising over Latin America Part 2

1 posted on 10/07/2002 7:35:56 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: HalfIrish; NMC EXP; OKCSubmariner; Travis McGee; t-shirt; DoughtyOne; SLB; Sawdring; Scholastic; ...
BUMP!
2 posted on 10/07/2002 7:37:54 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
The Bush Administration needs to take urgent action to avert a Lula victory on October 27th possibly including covert funding and campaign advice for the Serra campaign, which though not pro-America is not anti-America either.

If this is the case, then I would like to see the Bush Administration stop all this emotional crap about promoting "freedom and democracy" all over the world. Americans like to promote freedom and democracy as long as the people in question vote for the candidate we like better.

3 posted on 10/07/2002 7:39:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Nevertheless, the point about minding our own hemisphere is very valid. When Brazil defaults on its 1/2 trillion of debt (mostly held by American banks like JP Morgan), it will set off dominoes which will hit our already dying economy like a load of bricks.

Bush needs to pay attention to LatinAmerica - else very soon we will be facing a new Communist bloc to our south.

4 posted on 10/07/2002 7:45:57 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Fred Mertz; rightwing2; Wally Cleaver
How much aid do we send to Latin America compared lets say to the Middle East? Granted oil comes in to play, but look at the huge oil fields located in the interior of Brazil. The USA has always considered the Latin American area as the left handed and red headed stepchild.
5 posted on 10/07/2002 7:46:47 AM PDT by SLB
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To: fogarty
When Brazil defaults on its 1/2 trillion of debt (mostly held by American banks like JP Morgan), it will set off dominoes which will hit our already dying economy like a load of bricks.

Then so be it. Any American investor who loans money to Third World countries knows damned well what the risks are, and should be hung out to dry. Otherwise, American banks that receive junk-bond interest rates for loans that are effectively guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the United States are defrauding U.S. taxpayers on an enormous scale.

Bush needs to pay attention to LatinAmerica - else very soon we will be facing a new Communist bloc to our south.

The difference between this "new" Communist bloc and the old Eastern bloc is that this one will be elected by the people of these countries in free and open elections. Some people in this world were born to be peasants, and there is nothing the United States is going to do about it in the long run.

I would also add that the Bush Administration has a more serious problem to deal with -- a totalitarian Communist government in the state of New Jersey.

6 posted on 10/07/2002 7:55:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: rightwing2
"The Bush Administration needs to take urgent action to avert a Lula victory on October 27th possibly including covert funding and campaign advice for the Serra campaign, which though not pro-America is not anti-America either."

Bull. If anyone should "pay the price" to save Wall Street's butt by financing Latin American candidates who won't default their nations' debt and stick Wall Street investment bankers with the bill, it should be those with the most to lose - Wall Street investment bankers, not the American middle class.

We shouldn't be forced to pay to guarantee junior executives at Goldman Sachs fat bonuses no matter how stupid deals they enter into.

The "John Saxon" essays - by an angry blue-collar Southerner, for those like him!

7 posted on 10/07/2002 8:00:49 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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8 posted on 10/07/2002 8:09:27 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: fogarty
Where's Henry Kissinger when we need him!
9 posted on 10/07/2002 8:17:39 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: SLB; fogarty
How much aid do we send to Latin America compared lets say to the Middle East? Granted oil comes in to play, but look at the huge oil fields located in the interior of Brazil. The USA has always considered the Latin American area as the left handed and red headed stepchild.

Good question. We send very little foreign aid to Latin America. Nearly half of our foreign aid goes to Israel and Egypt. Just under a billion a year more goes to rogue state North Korea to help prop up the Stalinist regime there as part of Clinton's appeasement agreement concluded back in 1994. Brazil is a huge country which is rich in natural resources. If Lula wins later this month, he is going to invite the ChiComs to help administer Brazil's long line of Atlantic ports, increase cooperation with them on WMD and ballistic missile development and allow Brazilian territory to be used as a sanctuary for FARC and ELN narcoterrorists to use in their fight to takeover Columbia. Plus, he's going to help Communize Brazil's smaller neighbors possibly including Argentina where two far-left candidates are leading the presidential race scheduled for March.
10 posted on 10/07/2002 8:37:53 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
Yes, this is the shape of things to come.

The work of three generations of socialists in American public office has borne fruit.

Welcome to the 21st Century! It's not DisneyWorld.
11 posted on 10/07/2002 8:46:58 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: rightwing2
"While campaigning for his Marxist comrade, Lula, in Brazil this past week, the Reverend Jesse Jackson hailed Lula..."

Jackson is a menace to our country.

12 posted on 10/07/2002 8:54:38 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: TexasRepublic
Jackson is a menace to our country.

Indeed, he is. If ever there was a pinko fifth columnist in this country, he is it.
13 posted on 10/07/2002 9:51:16 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: *Latin_America_List; Cincinatus' Wife
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14 posted on 10/07/2002 9:54:53 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: rightwing2; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; backhoe
Ping!
15 posted on 10/07/2002 12:42:34 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Alberta's Child
Would you tolerate Lula as president here (USA)?

Would you tolerate him after the "divine mobs" start going out and seizing property?

As for the emotional crap ("freedom and democracy"), notice the "and" between them. Lula may be about democracy, but is not about freedom (particularly property rights).

16 posted on 10/07/2002 12:48:13 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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I see. So just because Lula would be an absolute disaster as President of the United States, it is in our best interests to interfere in a free election in Brazil.

And the mobs that come to seize my property aren't going to be coming here from Brazil -- they'll be coming from Washington, D.C.

17 posted on 10/07/2002 1:14:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Enemy Of The State; rightwing2
I meant to add the links below & plumb forgot about it!

If you will follow all the links, and the links within those links, you will see that all the shadowy "alphabet-soup" terror and "liberation" groups share ties.

The purpose of terrorism is destabilizing a country, so the "liberators" can prevail. Latin America ( among other regions ) has a long history of being a pot just on the boil.

The Web of Terror

Castro, the Carribean, and Terrorism

18 posted on 10/07/2002 1:32:53 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Alberta's Child
I see. So just because Lula would be an absolute disaster as President of the United States, it is in our best interests to interfere in a free election in Brazil.

Your argument in post #3 sounded to me like a moral argument along the lines of "what right do we have to interfere" and my response was that since we (presumably being conservatives) would not tolerate Lula here (regardless of how big a majority he won) why should we accept him elsewhere (particularly if like Chavez it will be one man, one vote, once).

Now you have switched gears to a "best interests" argument.

And the mobs that come to seize my property aren't going to be coming here from Brazil -- they'll be coming from Washington, D.C.

FYI, both Lula (Brazil) and Chavez (Venezuela) support the Marxist narco-guerillas of Columbia as well as other such movements in South America. Once South America is ruled by like minded individuals, there is no reason for them not to turn north into Central America (and the first state in the line of fire there is Panama, with the Panama canal as the prize).

19 posted on 10/07/2002 1:40:36 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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To: ExpandNATO
From a conservative perspective, there is no legitimate reason for the United States to interfere in an election process elsewhere in the world. National sovereignty, in my mind, is a basic conservative principle. If a foreign nation wants to elect an incompetent or totalitarian candidate as president, then that's just too bad. If this same foreign nation later becomes a threat to the United States (and not just to U.S. interests), then the U.S. has an obligation to deal with this threat.

FYI, both Lula (Brazil) and Chavez (Venezuela) support the Marxist narco-guerillas of Columbia as well as other such movements in South America. Once South America is ruled by like minded individuals, there is no reason for them not to turn north into Central America (and the first state in the line of fire there is Panama, with the Panama canal as the prize).

Remember -- these countries don't have a drug problem; the United States does. If we are such a decadent nation that we cannot control ourselves and need narcotics to get us through our daily lives, then we have no business complaining about "narco-guerillas" in South America.

I would also add that in the larger scheme of things the Panama Canal is little more than an old, outdated waterway that is of little value to anyone except third-rate nations with limited shipping potential. Most of the major maritime vessels that are used by the United States or serve U.S. consumers are too large to fit through the canal anyway.

20 posted on 10/07/2002 2:26:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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