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**JOHN STOSSEL FRIDAY ON 20/20 WITH ACCOUNTING SCANDAL: DoD CREDIT CARDS**
ABC News ^ | Oct. 3, 2002 | John Stossel

Posted on 10/03/2002 5:48:15 PM PDT by madfly

 
----- Original Message -----
From: ABC TV Stossel Reporting
To: ABC TV Stossel Reporting
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: JOHN STOSSEL'S "GIVE ME A BREAK" THIS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 4,200210 P.M. EST

This Friday's "Give Me A Break" is about an another accounting scandal.

The accounting at an institution is so lax, employees used investors' money to buy engagement rings, Elvis photos, women's lingerie, jewelry, escort services, and breast implants.

The "investors" in this case are you, because the "company" is the defense department.

It happened because of the defense department's ludicrous policy of giving out credit cards to almost anyone.

The idea was to make government purchases more efficient, but an application form the government uses says if an employee would rather not have a credit check (if they have a horrendous credit record), that's no problem .  They can  just check "box B" and Bank of America is "not authorized" to check their credit rating.   The employee can still get a government credit card.

Don't you wish your employer would let you do that?

Confronted about an employee who spent $400 of your money on a designer briefcase from the Coach store, Ernest Valdes, of the Navy, said, "she probably made an honest mistake and happened to be at Nordstrom's and purchased that bag. I think she'll do better next time."

Next time? Right. It's not as if she was fired. Government rarely fires anybody. One Navy employee used her credit card to buy $12,000 in personal items. What happened to her? She was promoted!

The defense department has a history of financial woes.  It cannot account for over a trillion dollars--that's nearly $4000  for every American.

When private companies squander investors money we insist there be consequences.

But in government, almost nothing ever changes.

Give Me A Break.

Please include your name and location when you write, so that I can quote you here, or on the air. (If you don't want us to use your name, tell us, and we won¹t.) My e-mail address is stossel@abc.com



 


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breastimplants; elvisphotos; engagementrings; escortservices; investigation; jewelry; onetrillion; promotions; womenslingerie
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There is usually a forum on the ABCnew.com site after the program.
1 posted on 10/03/2002 5:48:15 PM PDT by madfly
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To: freedomnews; VinnyTex; Skooz; Benrand; kattracks; doug from upland; seamus; Starmaker; Timesink; ...
John Stossel ping!
2 posted on 10/03/2002 5:49:11 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
That ought to be a good story.
3 posted on 10/03/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: madfly
True enough there's always going to be somebody out there who breaks the rules, but the cold, hard facts are that the primary contractor who provides US Government credit card services for travel related expenses is CITIBANK.

Their business operations are sloppy. I'd never even used their card and it took 6 months to resolve a relatively minor issue. It ended up in the hands of their security folks because it was clear we were up against a scam artist inside the company at a fairly high level.

Given all the unethical and illegal activities CITIBANK was into with Enron, et al, it is not beyond belief that these guys would try to foist blame off on the users, the poor government employees stuck with these "YOU MUST USE THIS ONE" cards, for their own poor management.

There should be an investigation, but of Enron, ABC and CITIBANK. All those reports about credit card misuse concern people who have already been caught and punished appropriately.

5 posted on 10/03/2002 5:57:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; stanz
Stossel alert!
6 posted on 10/03/2002 6:04:28 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: madfly
It must be nice to be a government worker. I hear tell with one of those credit card's you don't have to pay anything on it because you never get a bill. How can we go about getting an "unlimited" government credit card thingy's?
7 posted on 10/03/2002 6:09:19 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: madfly
There is so much fraud and waste at every government level, that our taxes could easily be cut in half and they would be, if enough of us complained.
8 posted on 10/03/2002 6:16:04 PM PDT by Vicki
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9 posted on 10/03/2002 6:24:36 PM PDT by madfly
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10 posted on 10/03/2002 6:56:25 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Slyfox
It doesn't work like that. I have a GPC (government purchase card)...and am military. If there are problems...there are two reasons: 1) Unethical people who are abusing them and 2) Resource Advisors/Comptrollers (RA's) who are not doing their job.

It works like this: I need office supplies...like printer ink. I call CDW (that's who supplied our printer). I buy ink and put it on my GPC. I GET A BILL!!! the next month. I go into the Bank of America's site and reconsile my account...approve it...approve the bill (approve=all the stuff on the bill is stuff I bought). I send the approved bill to my RA...he looks it over and approves it as legit. Then he sends it to the comptroller who controls the $$$ and she approves it. When ever I hear about GPC abuse...I blame the RA's and the comptrollers (and the crook who is doing it) because if those guys were doing their job...they would catch it.

I also don't see how some of these people can spend that kind of money. My GPC has a single purchase limit and I cannot go over that daily limit...the card won't let me. I also can't split a purchase (buy $2000 in chairs one day...then $2000 in chairs the next. That is considered one purchase and 2000+2000=4000 which is over my single purchase limit.

The card is abused...I don't argue that. However, the losses in abuse are probably more than made up by the savings. Let me explain. If I need a desk...I used to HAVE to purchase from JWOD/Nibnish. That desk would probably cost me $1200. However, now I can use my GPC and buy one from Office Depot for $300. Last year I needed 3 new desks. I compaired the JWOD desk and one from office depot. They were EXACTLY the same. If I would have had to purchase it from JWOD...I would have spent $3600. However, as it was, I spent $900. I saved the tax payer $2700 that day. Desks aren't the only thing...all of the stuff from the government supply catalogs are WAY overpriced. I probably save the tax payer $3000 a year by having the GPC and not having to "buy" it from the government.

Just wanted to give my experience with the GPC.

11 posted on 10/03/2002 6:57:34 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
If there are problems...there are two reasons: 1) Unethical people who are abusing them and 2) Resource Advisors/Comptrollers (RA's) who are not doing their job.

That's exactly right. At Hill AFB, Utah last year, a civilian Air Force employee was fired and prosecuted for credit card fraud. He used his govt. credit card to obtain a $4000 cash advance and spent it gambling in Wendover, Nevada. He tried to claim that the card was stolen and the cash was obtained before he knew the card was taken and could cancel it. The moron got caught in his lies because he forgot that casinos are wired for video and sound like you can't believe.

In this case, the system worked. The financial folks spotted his fraud, notified the proper authorities, and this guy is now in jail on a felony grand larceny rap and will pay restitution when he gets out. Too bad the financial people at other bases are too lazy to look at what goes on or just look the other way when they see evidence of fraud. Pretty sad. And civil servants can't figure out why they have a bad reputation.

12 posted on 10/03/2002 7:14:17 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: NELSON111
Yes. I understand and believe you are exactly right.

I am a retired broadcaster. Some years ago I did a follow up on a high priced part used in a tank. The replacment part was a wrench used to change and repair tanks in the field.

The Defense Department had paid 500 dollars each an ordinary wrench you could by for 20 bucks at Sears. When I checked it out it seems the congress had seen some shoddy stuff sold to the department by a defense contractors as substitutes for the orginal suplies. So they made a rule that all the stuff had to be exactly like original equipemt. No substitutions. It seems the company that made the model wrench originally supplied, no longer made that model. So they hand made some formre 20 dollar wrenches. But the labor on hand made wrenched came in at 500 dollars apiece.

It is the same way in big business too. Many years ago i ran second shift quality control at a GM plant. We were using some special graduated glassware for chemical tests. Glass when heated and cooled gets brittle and breaks after awhile. So about once a month one of the graduates would break. They cost about $150 each. The company that made them told me the big cost was set up. Instead of buying one a month at 150 dollars they would sell us a dozen for 200 dollars. That would save $1600 dollars a year. So I bought a dozen.

I was called in on the carpet because the GM president was impressed with with a new concept called just in time inventory. So he decreed you could not have more than 30 days worth of anything instock. WE had a years supply of graduates.

To keep from having 11 extra graduates show up on the inventory, my boss had me break 11 of the graduates and we went back to spending 150 dollars a month buying them one at a time.

In a big organization for every problem fixed 1.3 problems are created until the company goes bankrupt or the government fails!


13 posted on 10/03/2002 7:23:53 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; NELSON111
Geeze people with first hand knowledge always spoil the party.

The credit card idea was about the only good idea that was implemented by the prior administration. The amount of red tape cut is worth the risk. I'd like to believe that ...the financial people at other bases are too lazy to look at what goes on or just look the other way when they see evidence of fraud. are few and far between.

I'd like to see comments from other than DoD personnel though to get broader input.

14 posted on 10/03/2002 7:24:13 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother
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To: NELSON111
I met a lady this summer who took her government-issued credit card to Cannon Beach, OR and purchased a bunch of fancy-dancy artwork valued at $1,500 each, to pass out to her friends. I was shocked when her mother casually told me that she could afford it because she had a government credit card. I expressed my shock and ended up saying to her, "But that's MY money. Shouldn't she give me one of those things?"
15 posted on 10/03/2002 7:55:42 PM PDT by Slyfox
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16 posted on 10/03/2002 8:29:14 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
ahhhh wendover:-) I was out at Hill this February working on the Olympics Task Force. Had a wonderful time...but left my GPC at home so I had to go skiing at the cheap places;-)

Seriously...at most Air Force bases...the finance people will spot this without a problem and you will be in BIG BIG trouble.

17 posted on 10/04/2002 3:48:12 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
The amount of paperwork that was cut was incredible too. Getting supplies used to be a pain in the butt...now...it's cheaper and easier. Saves the government money and my time...which I use on other projects instead of ordering pens.
18 posted on 10/04/2002 3:50:43 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Slyfox
What that lady did was criminal and she should be prosocuted. Since I know about the GPC program...I would have turned her in to the fruad, waste, and abuse people.
19 posted on 10/04/2002 3:52:12 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Common Tator
That is INSANE!
20 posted on 10/04/2002 3:52:30 AM PDT by NELSON111
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