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NJ Supreme Court Hearing Live Thread
New Jersey Public TV ^ | 10/02/02 | TonyInOhio

Posted on 10/02/2002 7:04:20 AM PDT by TonyInOhio

New Jersey Public TV is carrying this hearing live. Click on Watch Live Online, and post what you hear, here.


Tony


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: demonrats; election; fixisin; forrester; fraud; greasetheskids; igotyourparadigm; lautenberg; ratcrimes; steal; stealingelection; toricelli
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To: goldstategop
A write-in campaign always seems to be the alternative that the Dems don't want to do, until the court finally demands it. It worked in DC--and might in NJ. That is what they should have done in MO. But that kind of voting is "too hard" for most of them to figure out.

Maybe it's to the point that if the Dems can't fix an election, they can't win one. Reminds me of how the mob runs the unions.....

1,181 posted on 10/02/2002 10:52:30 AM PDT by MHT
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To: carmody
The theme should be something like this: "The Democratic candidate pulled out of this race because he was going to lose. And in flagrant violation of the spirit of the law, if not the letter of the law, the Democrats tried to replace their candidate with one chosen by the party leaders, not the people. If you believe in a government by the people and for the people, send a message to Bob Toricelli and the Democratic leadership this November. Make your choice from one of OUR candidates. Thank you!"

That would be outstanding! Make it a national campaign commercial. Brought to you by....everyone BUT the Democrat Party

1,182 posted on 10/02/2002 10:52:31 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: carmody
Furthermore, the Republican party should get together with ALL of the other parties and make ONE commercial together. The theme should be something like this:

"The Democratic candidate pulled out of this race because he was going to lose. And in flagrant violation of the spirit of the law, if not the letter of the law, the Democrats tried to replace their candidate with one chosen by the party leaders, not the people. If you believe in a government by the people and for the people, send a message to Bob Toricelli and the Democratic leadership this November. Make your choice from one of OUR candidates. Thank you!"

Excellent idea!!

1,183 posted on 10/02/2002 10:52:33 AM PDT by Eala
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To: Always Right
There is no reason the GOP should back down from this legal fight.

I agree wholeheartedly. The dem abettors in the media will spin against us no matter what we do. Time to stop worrying about perception and fight like they do...to the death!

1,184 posted on 10/02/2002 10:53:01 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: jayef
We are in some SERIOUS trouble! Republican (little r) government is no longer understood by the citizenry. Even sadder, now it appears that it is not understood by our courts!

I think it's worse than that. There is a criminal cabal, a mob racket that runs more than half the Govt. in the form of the Dem. party. They are tired of the nicities of elections and willing to subvert them.

It is analogous to the transition in Rome from Republic to Empire, when successive powerful Generals and leaders decided it no longer made sense to pay attention to the Senate.

Only in this case it's not the strong man but the entire Dem. party. Other attacks on voting have been the Carnihan debacle, Gore in Florida, the attempt to put Lanni Grannier into a position where she could move to weird outcome based voting schemes like the Naderites want, basic vote fraud in well documented places like Detroit, the inept bodering on lying coverage of the election by the TV Networks, the dumbing down of citizenry requirements, millions of illegals voting in California, etc.

As I pointed out at some point we are like the boy with his finger in the dike. Eventually if it keeps raining Democratic Vote Fraud they will get there 51% permanant majority and votes will be meaningless. In fact if they can get 51% living off of the top 5% based on Govt. payouts then it's a lock. Or actually, the R's have to go into bidding mode for the 51%. I think we are pretty close to being there.

I joined FR about 4 years ago to "Restore the Constitution" but Bush2 is a only a small speed bump on the race to convert us to a Socialist direct democracy or mock democracy of the Mexican sort.

Has all this Freeping and posting and kveching accomplished anything? OK, the Clinton Impeachment was huge, but ultimately it failed. I wonder if in 20 years we will look back at that as the high water mark in our attempt to save the Constitution, rule of law, an limited government in America.

The dike won't hold and the Socialist wave is going to drown the little boy GOP soon, sadly.

1,185 posted on 10/02/2002 10:53:09 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: The Vast Right Wing
Ask yourself the question, "What would the rats do?" We have been too nice, this war, go for the throat.
1,186 posted on 10/02/2002 10:54:07 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Jim Noble
I tend to agree with you on this one. If Forrester can't beat a 78 year-old corpse who retired several years ago because of the toll that his Senate career was taking on him, the Republican Party ought to shake the dust from their sandals and burn all those bridges over the Delaware River that connect this toilet to the rest of America.

The Bush Administration has a bit of a track record in this regard -- If it weren't for the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, Bush probably would have gone through his entire term in office without ever setting foot in New York.

Or even mentioning New York in a speech, for that matter.

1,187 posted on 10/02/2002 10:54:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Dianna
That would be outstanding! Make it a national campaign commercial. Brought to you by....everyone BUT the Democrat Party.

Exactly! The message to the people from everyone BUT the Dems is "Even though all of us disagree on a lot of major issues that are important to you, the people of New Jersey, we ALL agree on one thing...cheating is not an option!" The Democratic party ends up looking sleazy.

1,188 posted on 10/02/2002 10:58:48 AM PDT by carmody
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To: Jim Noble
Great post!
1,189 posted on 10/02/2002 10:59:30 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: laconic
There has to be some constitutional question (equal protection, due process) for the US Supreme Court to take this case. ...

Well, the issues are somewhat different than in Fla, but there is some precedent about changing the rules mid-stream that isn't on point, but may be effective.

The bottom line is that liberals are shameless judicial activists.

I assume the strongest point in the GOP favor is the argument about the absentee ballots.

You know, if absentee ballots are delayed, voters may be disenfranchised as some will not receive them timely. However, if the ballot stands as is, voters can still vote for any candidate, including Lautenberg(sp?), via write-in. That's the real twist in all this. This ballot fiasco works for the Dems at the expense of the voters.

1,190 posted on 10/02/2002 10:59:32 AM PDT by Smedley
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To: goldstategop
Because 90% of Democratic voters can't even write their own name, let alone one as long as "Lautenberg."
1,191 posted on 10/02/2002 11:00:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Always Right
I am almost surprise they did not already have the ruling written.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaagh, funny even if sickening

1,192 posted on 10/02/2002 11:01:26 AM PDT by Smedley
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To: Eala; Howlin; MeeknMing
"Furthermore, the Republican party should get together with ALL of the other parties and make ONE commercial together."

Hmmm I see a real interesting twist in the wind!

If the Repubs went to the Greens and The Libertarians and the Constitution party, Etc. and made a deal on Debates I think they could pull this off all across the country!

Broken Glass Anti-Democrats BUMP

1,193 posted on 10/02/2002 11:01:54 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: carmody
Make your choice from one of OUR candidates.

Wrong approach -- What the minor parties ought to do is seize this opportunity and replace all of their nominees with Doug Forrester.

1,194 posted on 10/02/2002 11:02:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Little Bill
My only point is that, as of yet the voters have not voted and it is more a matter of public relations. I think that the Republicans risk looking like cry babies if they fight this thing for too long, especially given that the media can be relied upon to make them look that way. If I am right, and I may not be, it would make sense to try and take the moral high ground and use this as a campaign issue. "Everyone knows that you can't change horses in mid-stream. We learn that in kindergarten, but the Dem's and a Democratic Supreme court in NJ have done this. Well, they can't negate our votes so tell the National Democrats that you don't like their 'fixing' of an election and vote for (Hutchinson, Allard, Thune, Talent, Coleman, Smith, Cornyn,...)" I think it would be effective, but hey what do I know..........
1,195 posted on 10/02/2002 11:02:54 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing
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To: Alberta's Child
How are you going to convince the Green Party to put a Republican in as their candidate? All they would do is disenfranchise their own supporters. There is no win for them in that. They don't care about defeating Dem's. They actually want to win the race.
1,196 posted on 10/02/2002 11:05:09 AM PDT by carmody
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To: MattinNJ
I am ashamed to be an attorney practicing "law" in NJ. What do I tell my clients in the following situations: They were caught doing 45 mph in a 25 mph school zone? What's the difference between 45 and 25. 25 is just an arbitrary number-don't worry about it.

Exactly, I can think of examples as well. The IRS says I owe them $550 and I say I'll pay them $210, what difference does it make. Oh, and I'll extend the deadline for myself just to be fair.

1,197 posted on 10/02/2002 11:05:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Alberta's Child
The suspense is killing us on here! ;-) More seriously, they should let Tony Soprano make the appointment and fuggadit about democracy. After all The Boss Knows Best.
1,198 posted on 10/02/2002 11:07:33 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: 1Old Pro
It depends on what the meaning of "IS" is.
1,199 posted on 10/02/2002 11:07:49 AM PDT by laconic
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To: carmody
The Green Party can gain a lot by having Forrester on their ticket. People can vote for Forrester as a Green Party candidate, which means they will probably attract many non-Green votes.

As a result, their outlook for fundraising, matching campaign funds, etc. is brighter for the next election cycle.

1,200 posted on 10/02/2002 11:09:34 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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