Posted on 10/01/2002 11:16:00 PM PDT by SheLion
Don't swim in private pools if you don't want to taste the piss that is allowed there.
This forum is used by some people (ccmay included) that want the power to initiate force, fraud and coercion against people (be the "higher authority") or seek to enlist government agents ("higher authority") to initiate force, fraud and threat of force against people on their behalf.
There have always been groups of people who have banded together to deny others of their rights. It matters not if they are doing for the same reasons as others.
Groups of resturant owners acting to squash competition by using government to deny rights are every bit as evil as those who would do it for other reasons.
Scary, isn't it........
Not so much about having RINOS in our party, but fed up about this smoking/property rights issue!
Why isn't the Republican party out front and center doing their best to stop these proposals from becoming law?
Think about it.
Thats majority rule. Unless smoking were specifically protected by the constitution like guns, the press, speech, religion etc then its perfectly alright for the majority to ban it.
Let's revise that for accuracy. Some restaurants want to go smoke free. But there's this pesky little problem - customers preferences and the presence of competitors that allow smoking. So banning smoking in their own restaurants just isn't good enough. Their competitors have the unfair advantage of catering to the wishes of the marketplace!
So, like all good little socialists, the no-smoking restaurants beg their masters to use their heavy hand "to level the playing field".
This is an economic movement
Yeah, it's an economic movement allright. It's an attack on free market capitalism by socialists.
Have a problem with this? I have a BIG problem with this. We do NOT need Big Government as a NANNY protecting us "for our own good." Yes, I have a BIG problem with this!
Easily swayed by special interest groups with BIG BUCKS.
It is the American way. Your in denail that this trend can be reversed. Its a done deal. The major chains want the laws changed and the end result will be increased profits for everyone in the business because maintaining the staffing and the equipemt for providing smoking and nonsmoking sections will be eliminated and with a state wide ban the income will remain the same.
Once the economics works against you your screwed.
It's Tyranny of the Majority, aka democracy. We're supposed to be a republic, remember?
Unless smoking were specifically protected by the constitution like guns, the press, speech, religion etc then its perfectly alright for the majority to ban it.
Amendment IX: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
But hey, who said any of that matters anymore.
Ah,,, ochlocracy, the last line of defense for those who disregard rights.
Unless smoking were specifically protected by the constitution like guns, the press, speech, religion etc then its perfectly alright for the majority to ban it.
That's a non starter for anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of where rights derive from. Please review the Declaration of Independance for an explanation even a child can understand.
BTW, in case you don't even get the fundamental issue, it's not smoking rights being addressed, it's property rights.
Damn it's pitiful what is dressing up as a conservative around here lately.
I agree it is. And because of that, our name is sullied and cheapened.
The major chains want the laws changed
Corporate oligarchy?
Once the economics works against you your screwed.
"...o'er the land of the fiscally prudent, and the home of the accountant."
They sell out freedom and principles for power.
If I want to have customers smoke, why can't I? If people don't like smoke, they can take their business elsewhere. Why is this so hard to understand???
If this country is so free, why can't I start an all-smoking airline if I thought I could make money doing so?
Please add me to your puff list......
There can be a good argument made that it is fascism.
I agree. I've found it difficult to distinguish the fine nuances between communism, socialism and fascism. Sound like a good idea for its own thread.
I just call it "Totalitarian Socialism". You have rulers at the top who are "above the law" and you have us commoners, pesants who are "allowed" certain things by our rulers who use socialistic measures to take whatever they want from us.
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