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GOP convenes and, as usual, devotes itself to fratricidal feuding
Sac Bee ^
| 9/29/02
| Dan Walters
Posted on 09/29/2002 9:19:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:45:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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GARDEN GROVE -- When George W. Bush began campaigning for the White House in 2000, California Republicans embraced him as a messiah who could heal their internal wounds and restore the GOP to prosperity -- or at least political relevance -- in the state.
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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: convention; feuding; fraticidal; gop
To: NormsRevenge
After claiming his much-disputed presidency, however, Bush found himself cast not as a healer, but as a combatant in the decades-long struggle between rival California factions. Yeah well, first of all, I am darn sick of hearing about the so called much-disputed presidency. BS! Secondly, were it not for well oiled RAT voter fraud California would NOT have gone for Gore. Dump Davis indeed! Dump the Bee while we are at it. The liberal mouthpiece of California, and a monopoly at that!
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posted on
09/29/2002 9:25:06 AM PDT
by
ladyinred

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posted on
09/29/2002 9:25:45 AM PDT
by
terilyn
To: ladyinred
The liberal rags have been stretched to the limit and have actually had to occasionally report unprocessed facts that can not be denied. It's hard to cover for a state legislature and governor who are in cahoots and intent on destroying this state. Add the 4th Estate and the Fifth Column to the mix. Now, we see why California is in such bad shape politically.
Keep the Faith. November 5th. Send a Message heard round the nation.
DUMP DAVI$ & the Den of Socialists
GO SIMON
To: NormsRevenge
The SacBee is naturally trying to stir up a Republican feud and make them look bad.
Nevertheless, Parsky is a loser. Bush made a serious mistake backing him and Riordan. I understand that when Karl Rove went out to California just before the primary he was not impressed by Riordan, and it's possible he cut back on supporting him even before Riordan lost the primary.
They should have dumped Parsky then. This is the same mistake they made in the New Jersey governor's race last year. It cost them the election there.
Yes, of course you need to appeal to the independent vote to win California. No, you don't have to do it by pushing all this RINO big-tent stuff, because that will just lose you the conservative base. Reagan reached out to independents and attracted them. Jeb Bush in Florida reaches out to independents and attracts them. But neither man compromises his basic principles in doing this.
Simon is a pleasant, decent guy. He could easily have been sold to indecisive voters in the middle over Gray Davis, if Parksy hadn't decided to go out to lunch for three months and abandon his candidate.
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posted on
09/29/2002 9:59:50 AM PDT
by
Cicero
To: Cicero
evidently, bush has made a lot of mistakes if we are to believe he sincerely believes what he projected of himself in 2000 campaign. Bush is growing the federal budget now by 13.9% per year. That doesn't sound like smaller government to me. Bush also cut medicaire by 5% across the board in 2001, he is now planning more medicaire cuts in 2003. That doesn't sound compassionate like he says he is.
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posted on
09/29/2002 7:03:13 PM PDT
by
Red Jones
To: Red Jones
evidently, bush has made a lot of mistakes if we are to believe he sincerely believes what he projected of himself in 2000 campaign. Bush is growing the federal budget now by 13.9% per year. Could you provide a source for that with a breakdown of spending increases? Thanks
To: Texasforever
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28956
Read the link above. It says that not only is Bush growing the government by 13.9% annual rate, but that only one third of this increase is either defense or homeland security. I saw Bush bragging the other day about how he stands for spending control and at the same time for large defense increases. He says he's got largest spending increases on defense since Reagan. Big deal, there were no spending increases on defense since reagan. Reagan's last increase in defense spending came in 1986. Since then it's been in decline and he brags about largest increase since reagan. The guy's a liar by habit.
Bush squanders money too easily and irrationally. Look how he doubled spending on department of education, from 30 to 60 billion in his very first year. 60 billion dollars is enough to give tuition vouchers for $6,000 to ten million kids. He really knows the value of the dollar, gives all that money to bureaucrats.
I will admit that bush appears to be good on foreign policy, but on domestic policy he's as bad as his father. Also, we should all take note, under Clinton the size of the federal government relative to the GDP actually went down. Under Bush we are seeing the biggest increases in government by far since LBJ. Bush campaigned with the image that he stands for smaller government than the democrats. He is a liar.
These large increases in frivilous government spending are also inconsistent with his deep real cuts in medicaire. The wall street journal said that Bush' tax cut was so small that it would have no statistical impact on the economy. Bush said that his idea of immigration policy is to match willing employees with willing employers.
Bush is a globalist and a supporter of the new world order, meaning that he cannot reasonably be trusted. We're going to have to throw the republican and democrat supporters of NWO out if we are to be a free and prosperous nation.
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posted on
09/29/2002 7:30:16 PM PDT
by
Red Jones
To: Cicero
I totally agree. Simon could be a candidate with wide appeal, given some help. Unfortunately, there seem to be some other agendas operating.
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posted on
09/29/2002 8:10:00 PM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: Red Jones
I read the article and I totaled up 151 billion in what Farrah describes as "new spending". Just for arguments sake I will work with those numbers. He did not break out the 91 billion in non-military expenditures so I assume some of that is the farm bill. The 30 billion for homeland defense is a direct result of 911 as was the 20 billion to NYC which is nothing more than disaster relief. What Farrah fails to mention is the 60 billion in tax relief for 2001-2002. That is a direct cut in Federal revenue available for spending. You also imply that this is an "annual" rate of increase, which is ludicrous. Homeland Defense when and if created will be a consolidation of 70 presently funded groups under a cabinet level Secretary at about a 150 thousand dollars a year. So not only is the 13.9% increase not adjusted for the tax relief that puts money in your pocket a lie, the "growing government at 13.9% a year" is also a lie. That is not surprising considering the source...Joe Farrah
To: ladyinred
Well ... the San Diego Union Socialists Tribune is right behind the Bee - how about we deep six the both of them??
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posted on
09/29/2002 9:35:09 PM PDT
by
CyberAnt
The problem here is that both moderate and conservative Republicans in California are big babies. They're more concerned about fighting with each other than fighting Democrats. In a state where Democrats have a vast registration edge over Republicans, Republicans need to band together for the general elections, even if the nominee isn't perfect.
Both sides need to realize that their juvenile actions are doing nothing but giving liberal Democrats complete control of the state. Nobody wins there.
To: NormsRevenge
Southern California businessman Gerald Parsky, acting on behalf of the Bush White House, launched a drive to overhaul the party apparatus, aimed at shifting control from conservative activists to more pragmatic professionals and party donors. This is what I've been saying ever since Bubba-2 was elected. Anybody who considers themselves to be a "conservative" who still supports Bubba-2 and his fellow RINO's should stop calling him "my President",and instead refer to him as "my pimp daddy" because he is surely selling your asses out.
To: Cicero
Bush made a serious mistake backing him and Riordan. This wasn't a mistake.Bubba-2 did this because he hates and fears conservatives at the same level as Teddy Kennedy. He wanted Riordan in there because they are political soulmates.
I understand that when Karl Rove went out to California just before the primary he was not impressed by Riordan, and it's possible he cut back on supporting him even before Riordan lost the primary.
HorseHillary! Riordan was a well-known RINO LONG before the election. Rove and Bubba-2 knew perfectly well what and who they were supporting. In fact,I remember articles written after the primary where Bubba-2 was said to be withholding support for Simon,even after he won.
This is the same mistake they made in the New Jersey governor's race last year.
Again,it wasn't a mistake. They wanted a Dim in Republican clothing,so that's who they supported.
It cost them the election there. So what? I hope you don't think the WH actually cares? They are without a doubt MUCH more comfortable with a lefty Dim holding that office than they would be a actual conservative Republican. REAL Republicans holding office are a embarrassment to Bubba-2 and his fellow RINO's because they show them up for the sorry pretenders they really are.
Yes, of course you need to appeal to the independent vote to win California. No, you don't have to do it by pushing all this RINO big-tent stuff, because that will just lose you the conservative base. Reagan reached out to independents and attracted them.
Even more important and telling,look at what happened in 1994,when Republicans ran as unabashed conservatives. They took over. The Country Club/Corporate Commie branch of the Republican Party that Bubba-2 represents immediately started stabbing them in the back,and the Republcian Party has been losing power ever since.
To: conservative_2001
Republicans need to band together for the general elections, even if the nominee isn't perfect. Ahhh,yes. The "Battle Cry" of the un-principaled partisans,who want to play,"OUR leftie is better than the Dim leftie!"
To: conservative_2001
Both sides need to realize that their juvenile actions are doing nothing but giving liberal Democrats complete control of the state. Nobody wins there. I agree that nobody wins
Maybe after the horrendous loss ( my opinion) in November, all Republicans will agree that the Bush Strategy (turn-Illegal-Immigrants-into-Republican-Voters) is a dismal failure.
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posted on
09/30/2002 4:38:05 AM PDT
by
bimbo
To: sneakypete
"Ahhh,yes. The "Battle Cry" of the un-principaled partisans,who want to play,"OUR leftie is better than the Dim leftie!"
Don't start that BS with me. I'm very conservative and vote accordingly. But when I look at a state with two liberal Democratic Senators, a Democratic governor, Democratic domination of the Congressional Delegation, and Democratic control of both State Houses, I can see that things aren't working.
The in-fighting among Republicans has done nothing but give Democrats complete control of that state's government. Is that what you want? Republicans need to get their act together, and that will mean both sides of the party supporting candidates that aren't perfect by their standards. Apparently you'd rather see Democratic control of everything so you can brag about your "principled" votes against Republicans.
To: conservative_2001
Republicans need to get their act together, and that will mean both sides of the party supporting candidates that aren't perfect by their standards. OK,so when are the Corporate Commies like Bush and the other RINO's going to support a conservative? ANY conservative? I'm waiting. (inject the sound of crickets,here.)
Apparently you'd rather see Democratic control of everything
No,that's people like Bubba-2 who are working for this. The only difference is THEY want to be the Dims in charge.
so you can brag about your "principled" votes against Republicans.
A wise FR poster posted that "When you vote for the lesser of two evils,you are STILL voting for evil." My days of voting for evil are over. I have no intention of voting for either Giddy Dolt OR Jorge "The Messiah" Bush,regardless of who their opponets are. If the Republican Party wants my vote,let them run some actual Republicans for election,not recycled Dim-Lites.
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