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SMOKING GUN URANIUM-GERMANY WHILE Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate
AP ^ | 9/29/02

Posted on 09/28/2002 2:12:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis

SMOKING GUN LINKS URANIUM to GERMANY WHILE IRAQ's PR Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate.

This is a MUST-SEE.

======== Turkey ===========

In Turkey, captured weapons-grade urainum ~33 pounds.
Detained two men from an east European country, cost ~5 million dollars


========== London =====

Meanwhile in London, Scott Ritter, former American, inflames one hundred thousand.




TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; islam; london; ritter; ritterisatraitor; ritteriswrong; saddamritter; schroeder; uranium
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To: Nogbad
Any engineers care to conjecture about the 15.7 kg mass?

This is approximately 34.5 lbs.

Just found another interesting Google hit

http://www.pointofhonor.com/articles/suitcase.htm

QUOTING the page:

A man portable nuclear weapon would be the size of an average piece of luggage weighing between seventy and one hundred fifty pounds. Much of that weight is probably some sort of radiation shielding to prevent detection and to protect the people deploying the weapon. The weapon would have some sort of integrated explosive. Most likely, the traditional safety devices will not be present due to weight considerations. The fissile material is probably Plutonium in order to provide a higher yield from a smaller physical warhead. There would have to be an arming mechanism, perhaps a key or a series of buttons.

Such a device might have a yield in the .2 to .5 kiloton range (although, recent reports suggest a 10 kiloton). Not enough to bust a city, but certainly adequate for strategic targets like listening posts, regional air traffic control centers, major power plants, hydro-electric dams, large highway interchanges or strategic locks and dams.

Rumors suggest such weapons were designed, manufactured and perhaps deployed. The likely American sites where these weapons are hidden appear to be Montana, Brainerd, Minnesota and upstate New York. The most persistent rumors imply the KGB in the mid to late seventies ordered the production of at least 132 weapons, and may have sanctioned the production of as many as 300 weapons. Official statements acknowledging the existence of such weapons surface from time to time, they are generally followed by murkier denials from the same people.

The Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti — Committee for State Security – KGB was a combination paramilitary force and the Russian version of the Central Intelligence Agency. The KGB is not remembered as a fraternal organization seeing to the needs of widows and orphans. The KGB was a vicious service that repressed its own civilian population and conducted exotic assassinations against defectors and western targets.

Is it conceivable that the procurement of nuclear weapons could take place outside the force structure of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces? Suppose the rumors are true. The KGB Chairman in the late seventies was a man named Iurii I. Andropov. He later became the Communist Party Secretary and presided over the shoot down of Korean Airlines Flight 007 and the aggressive deployment of mobile missiles throughout Eastern Europe. It seems credible that Andropov’s KGB was capable of ordering the development of such weapons.

The weapons were most likely designed and developed at Arzamas-16. Arzamas-16 was a closed city from 1946 to 1996. This means it literally disappeared from Russian maps and its location was a state secret. It is still the premier Russian nuclear design lab and is the sister city to Los Alamos. For example, Andre Sakarov—the father of the hydrogen bomb worked at Arzamas-16.

The suitcase bomb is not the type of weapon that can be launched from a cannon, mounted on a missile or dropped from a bomber. It is not the kind of weapon conventional military forces would sponsor. It is a weapon fairly useless in a storage barracks somewhere in the Siberian wilderness, which leads us to the next uncomfortable conclusion: For a portable nuclear weapon to be useful, it would need to be close to its target. The targets were not inside the Soviet Union, but in Japan, South Korea, West Germany, France, England, Israel, Iran and America.

A better moniker would be the clandestine nuclear weapon. The delivery system is maybe two people and Chevy Nova. Seem improbable? Then ask yourself, how difficult would it be to move a small nuclear weapon across the Canadian or Mexican borders? If a weapon of this nature could easily moved across an open international border, it would effectively short circuit the billions invested in surveillance and detection systems.

81 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:01 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Diogenesis
w. germany? loox like they were stolen many years ago
82 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:05 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: Diogenesis
Tom Daschle, you missed this uranium because your head's up Uranus.

Ritter shoots off his mouth for the enemy.

It's time a firing squad shot it off for him.

83 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:06 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Huggy
I know about the money,

That could be it. A promise of more. Peacenick Liberals will sell their country for a free handout in a split second, no questions asked!

84 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:35 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: RightWhale
Ironic, isn't it? Here we have a container of weapons grade Uranium - already in the form required for detonating a nuke - which was reportedly the ONLY thing that Saddam was missing to put the puzzle together. Of course, we assume that it had our name on it. But when you consider the country of manufacture as well as who Saddam hates most, I'd bet money that the target for this device would have been Israel. Not US. Likewise, I'll bet that this would not have been his first complete weapon.

Remember back on Saddam's birthday, when his generals told him of something that they had finally produced for him on his birthday? And that it wouldn't be the last one they built? Sound about right? We all laughed about what this mystery object might be back then here on FR, but we may have been rather premature.

85 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:14 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: concerned about politics
Related question: Who provided the exact same signs to the great unwashed crowd in D.C. today? Hummmmm?
86 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:20 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Diogenesis
I see Palestinian flags but no british ones. I also see a lot of black and white Palestinian head dresses. Seems that Britain has a big problem in their front yards. The protestors loyalties do not lie with their home country. Also from the large supply of pre-printed placards that the majority carry it seems that they are being organised by an external source. Gee, I wonder who paid for the "dont attack Iraq ralley"?
87 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:53 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: concerned about politics
Just looked.....WTH?
88 posted on 09/28/2002 3:16:41 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: hellinahandcart
That is because all the participants are profoundly disturbed.
89 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:03 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: InvisibleChurch
The only thing we know, is that the lead container is old and from germany. Doesn't really say anything about the origin of the contents.

Just swung my satellite dish over to catch the turkish news in english, they are not reporting anything new.
90 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:28 PM PDT by eabinga
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To: bonesmccoy
I am glad they intercepted this...

but honestly, the good NEWS isn't making my stomach feel any better...

This is what they caught.
How much has "slipped through" before?

Dems f'ing with their petty labor disputes about job security for the employees of the new homeland security act, are pretty damned stupid, and I am sure, THIS kind of stuff HAD to be included in their security "briefings".

The apparent facts are... this stuff has been shipped before. It's probably already here or riyhad, kuwait, jerusalem, ankara, cypress, london, berlin or paris. One or all. It will be a miracle if we DON'T take some hits.

The nuts are into assymetrical war, so they might do some stuff that makes 9/11 look like a sunday school picnic... to put it mildly.

Not to be paranoid, per se, just realistic.
We may stop a good amount of pot at the border with mexico... but how much gets through??? Would the arabfascists work harder to get their "toys" across our borders, than mexican coyote types?

I am not encouraged.
With friends like daschle, why should we be?
91 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: bonesmccoy
Anyone......If this was to be a nuke.....how big an area would this take out if 33 pounds of unranium went BANG???
92 posted on 09/28/2002 3:19:04 PM PDT by Dog
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To: buffyt
Will Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, et al. change their tunes now????

No, but I e-mailed them anyway. Also e-mailed a few lib friends up north.

93 posted on 09/28/2002 3:19:44 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Thank you.

Here is another update.

===== International Atomic Energy Agency gas centrifuge diagram

This aluminum tubing, which Ritter dismisses, was sent from China thru Jordan to Iraq, and may have been used to enrich uranium


94 posted on 09/28/2002 3:20:23 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
Strictly out of curiousity, why doesn't it say "gemacht in Deutschland" instead of "made in Germany?"

Or is English the industry standard as it is in aviation?

95 posted on 09/28/2002 3:21:04 PM PDT by piasa
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To: seeker41
I think it say "cynide", but I'm not sure.

No there is no mention of cyanide in this article.
Just basically the facts we read on AP.

96 posted on 09/28/2002 3:21:43 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: RightWhale
Thanks for info. How sure are the authorities it's weapons grade uranium? Someone on this thread or another thread said it typically takes a few days to determine whether it's weapons or other grade. Anyone know?
97 posted on 09/28/2002 3:22:50 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Robert_Paulson2
It may be a blessing that the Western Ports have been sealed and work stopped. This will give time to the USCG and Customs people to improve harbor security.
98 posted on 09/28/2002 3:22:52 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: WVNan
Related question: Who provided the exact same signs to the great unwashed crowd in D.C. today? Hummmmm?

So it's obvious the left wing has taken the side of Americas enemy? Rallying with Muslims, and lashing out at America. We need pictures of the DC protesters. Got any?
Hey Dashole, are you listening?

99 posted on 09/28/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Dog
If you can wait until my wife gets home (half an hour)
she can do a much better translation.

(There are a lot of technical terms in the article)

However, with my basic Turkish, I don't see anything in the article
that wasn't already reported in AP.

100 posted on 09/28/2002 3:24:24 PM PDT by Nogbad
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