Posted on 09/26/2002 2:36:29 PM PDT by jstone78
I have repeatedly questioned such usage. One is either a Conservative--i.e., interested in preserving what he considers essential to his heritage--or he is not. Calling one a neo-Conservative, should imply that he has newly come to Conservatism. It makes no sense to apply it to one who is not interested in preserving his Country's traditions. Indeed, in such a sense, it can only be misleading.
The fact that some Leftists, today, may seek to hide under a "Conservative" umbrella--they got a good scare, when Reagan was elected--is beside the point. We should not adopt or accept the usage. Words are important, and you should never just accept your enemy's distorted definitions.
Beyond that, it is essential that we always look beyond any label, whatever the source, to analyze what is actually involved in any proposal, or in any issue. Magic words, shibboleths and slogans, are the techniques of demagogues. The effective Conservative should always have in mind a dynamic image of the interrelationships of ideas, facts--both of the present and past--and the potential effect of those ideas and facts on all components of the social order. Understanding the dynamics behind alternative paths and positions is essential in both promoting sound thinking and in exposing the fallacies of the Left, etc..
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
#6...satan---already here!
#7...What we started with!
My trendition...
Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!
Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!
Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc-religion/rhetoric)...
Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-America---
If you want to see magazine contrasts - For Conservatism read The American Conservative that Buchanan launched at the National Press Club Wednesday. For Neo-Con read Kristol's Weekly Standard.
I think jstone78 should referred to as an idiot.
I agree. Before I read your post, I was going to say that I guess I am a real conservative except for point #4. So, I'm 6 for 7.
1. Do you agree with FDR's New Deal interpretation of the commerce clause, and all subsequent government powers/court rulings that have sprung from it?
I oppose anything FDR ever did just as a matter of principle.
2. There is a hypothetical election with no Democratic or third party candidates. The person who wins the Republican nomination wins the election. The candidates for nomination are Ron Paul and George Bush. Who do you vote for?
Call me a 'bot but Bush is my man.
3. Would you approve of a law that forced Congress to cite a specifically enumerated constitutional power before it can pass a law? Also, apply this to every law already on the books.
(1) Yes I would. Every legal imposition upon the American people should be justified Constitutionally. (2) BWAAAHAHAHA...
Score?
I note you have Reagan on your list - but unlike you, I remember the '80s, and how you and the rest of the bluenosed crowd treated him - and it was shabby.
I think it refers to "the fifth column."
I know there are a few interpretive definitions of what a neoconservative is. By true definition, the word neoconservative means:
"a former liberal espousing political conservatism"
And Bill Buckley is no neocon. Buckley is a traditional conservative. Irving Kristol, the father of Bill Kristol is considered the "Father", or "Godfather" of neoconservatism in America.
Neoconservative.com says the following on their frontpage:
A site dedicated to advancing the political perspective known as neoconservatism, which is committed to cultural traditionalism, democratic capitalism, and a foreign policy promoting freedom and American interests around the world
He he. It's hidden in all 3 questions.
1. No FDR New Deal commerce clause, and WoD goes back to the states.
2. Ron Paul would end the federal WoD and send it back to the states.
3. No constitutional justification for a federal WoD exists. 10th Amendment says it belongs to the states.
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