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Kennedy attacks 'imperialist' Bush (HOLD MUH LAGER ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 24, 2002 | Benedict Brogan

Posted on 09/23/2002 11:04:30 PM PDT by MadIvan

Charles Kennedy tapped into growing anti-Americanism in his party yesterday by accusing President Bush of "imperialism" in the build-up to war against Iraq.

In case you're wondering what spawn of JFK this is, he's not - he's a Scot, and the leader of the Liberal Democrat Party in the UK, the 3rd largest party. Still, the Kennedy name seems to bring deranged leftism - Ivan

On the eve of the emergency recall of Parliament, he warned Tony Blair that he could not count on Liberal Democrat support in a Commons vote for military action.

Making an emergency statement to his party conference in Brighton, he was cheered when he questioned the motives behind the White House's policy of "regime change" in Baghdad.

Adopting a stance that has raised eyebrows in certain sections of the party, he said he was "increasingly concerned" about Mr Bush's determination to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

"Who decides the legitimacy of such change? On what basis in international law? And with what ultimate objective in mind? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to these questions. There is more than a hint of imperialism here," he said to sustained applause.

I wonder if old Charlie would have felt the same if we had shot dead Hitler or Stalin before they murdered their people; a fellow on the BBC this morning put the estimate of people Saddam had killed at 900,000. - Ivan

Mr Kennedy, who travels to London today to answer Mr Blair's statement on Iraq, said he was worried about America "undermining the moral, legal and practical authority of the United Nations".

Charlie, my lad, they have no authority. Do what no liberal is able to do - shut up. - Ivan

There were "extreme uncertainties and dangers" in going to war against Saddam Hussein, he said. But military action should not be ruled out "as a last resort".

He said: "The first priority of the Government must be the return of the UN weapons inspectors. Anything less than unfettered access anywhere in Iraq is unacceptable.

But as you don't want to fight, laddie, all you can do if Saddam refuses is hold your breath until you turn blue - Ivan

"The unconditional return of the inspectors requires a clear timetable and no ruling out of an ultimate resort to military action if that necessary compliance is denied or thwarted. But we are not there yet."

Meaning: we'll rule it out at home, but we hope the Iraqis don't watch television, so we can threaten them with it, even though we'd never do it - Ivan

Mr Kennedy was heard mainly in silence. Delegates reserved applause for the sections that were the most questioning of American motives and his call for pressure to resolve the conflict between Israel and Palestinians.

He said Britain should take account of the "sensitivities" of its Muslim community and of the Arab world at large.

We've bent over backwards to be sensitive in both the USA and UK; time for them to show loyalty to the nations which shelter them. If not, off with their heads - Ivan

He reiterated his support for the Government's policy of "standing shoulder to shoulder" with America after September 11 but said Britain must remain a "candid friend", willing to offer "the occasional cautionary tap on the shoulder".

With the Government's dossier on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to be published today, he said America had produced "no definitive evidence directly linking" Baghdad to al-Qa'eda.

Why would Blair tell you if he did, Charlie boy? - Ivan

Lib Dems would adopt a "common-sense approach" to the issue. In a signal to Mr Blair that he could not bank on the Lib Dems to defeat Labour anti-war MPs, Mr Kennedy said his party would not suspend its "critical faculties". The mood of the conference is running against war and America's robust diplomacy since September 11.

Lib Dems will debate an emergency motion on Iraq tomorrow which calls on Iraq to allow weapons inspectors unfettered access and says military action should only take place with UN, EU and Parliamentary approval.

Although the motion makes no mention of America, senior front-benchers are concerned that the tone of the debate could be harshly critical of the United States.

A delegate, William Beard, of Wolverhampton, attacked "this unjustified, unwanted and unwinnable war".

Anti-American rhetoric surfaced from a senior front-bencher when Malcolm Bruce described the Bush administration as a "regime" and condemned its "arrogant defiance" on green issues.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; kennedy; liberals; yuk
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A bunch of liberals led by a Kennedy. Always a bad recipe. Gladstone must be spinning in his grave seeing what his party has become.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 09/23/2002 11:04:30 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 09/23/2002 11:05:01 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Where do these slime draggers find enough rocks to live under ?
3 posted on 09/23/2002 11:08:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MadIvan
Gee Whiz! Anti-American rhetoric from the looney left. Who'da guessed?
4 posted on 09/23/2002 11:08:20 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MadIvan
Given the choice between Saddam Hussein and George Bush, this anacephalic attacks Bush.

Anti-American = putzhead.

It's the abrasion of the wool kilt on their wee brains that drives them crackers.

5 posted on 09/23/2002 11:08:41 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: nopardons; All
You'll love this reaction to the Liberals in the Times:

Why I can't stand all those smug Liberals
by Daniel Finkelstein

Proportional representation. Now I haven’t got your attention, let me talk to you about the Liberals. You might think that no one would want to thunder about the Liberals, that nothing could be as herbivorous and inoffensive as them. Surely no one could have all that much against all those earnest people out delivering Liberal Focus leaflets and eagerly awaiting a visit from the leader on his Battlebike. You would be wrong.

How would Tom Lehrer have put it? Old Labour hates new Labour and new Labour hates old Tories and old Tories hate new Tories, but everyone hates the Liberals.

For political junkies (the only people watching) the Liberal conference is the most irritating week of the year. Of course, all party conferences have their moments. I worked for the Conservatives when Jeffrey Archer received a standing ovation for what, even at the time, was a toe-curlingly embarrassing call to be tough on crime (criminals only allowed out to the theatre four days a week and no more than five Chinese takeaways a month). And have you ever listened to a whole speech by John Edmonds? Yet the Liberal week at the seaside somehow contrives to be worse.

It is the sanctimonious tone of all those patronising lectures that does it. Watching Liberal conference is like going back to primary school, only without the literacy and numeracy hours. My own theory about why Charles Kennedy looks more uncomfortable as party leader than his predecessor is that being sanctimonious came naturally to Paddy Ashdown while Kennedy has to make a real effort.

Now, being sanctimonious is never a very attractive characteristic, but there is something in the Liberal case that makes it truly insufferable. It is what might be termed the Law of Liberal Politics — the more sanctimonious the Liberals are about something, the more likely it is that their own behaviour towards it will be characterised by hypocrisy or self-delusion.

Let’s start with their favourite topic for smug sermonising, their insistent complaint about the negative campaigning and “Punch and Judy politics” of the other parties. I’m not a celebrity, but get me out of here anyway. There is nobody who can compete with the Liberals when it comes to running nasty and disingenuous local campaigns. In private they revel in it. “Be wicked, act shamelessly, stir endlessly,” the Association of Liberal Councillors told its members before the 2002 elections. “Positive campaigning will not be enough to win control of the council.”

This must be the reason why, at the last election, the Labour MP Denis MacShane found himself adorning Liberal literature in another constituency apparently endorsing the Liberal candidate when he had done no such thing. Or why the Folkestone Liberals told pensioners that the Tories planned to charge them £6,500 for a hip operation.

The Law of Liberal Politics covers policies as well as campaigning. The Liberals love to go on about how honest they are, and how responsible, when they talk about taxation. Only they have been prepared to admit they will put up taxes. Yet their famous 1p extra on income tax to fund spending on education is entirely fraudulent. The money is pledged over and over again by the party to fund the most expensive series of unrealisable promises.

Whether it be their boast that they are the party that truly believes in decentralisation, while promoting a highly centralised European Union, or their attacks on Labour’s ties to “vested interest” while exploiting Tony Blair’s difficulties by emphasising their “lifelong belief in trade unionism”, as Kennedy shamelessly did in Blackpool, Liberal policies are lent coherence only by their incoherence.

The party always claims that if only people thought they could win power they’d vote Liberal. The Law of Liberal Politics applies again. If people ever thought they would actually win, they’d run a mile.

There is, however, one nice thing you can say about the Liberals. At the end of this polemic they’ll only have one complaint. I should have called them Liberal Democrats.

Regards, Ivan Regards, Ivan

6 posted on 09/23/2002 11:12:40 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Must be something in the Kennedy genes. Does brain-damage run in the family?
7 posted on 09/23/2002 11:15:17 PM PDT by GHOST WRITER
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To: MadIvan
Somewhere back in the mists of history a developing Kennedy foetus was hit by a cosmic ray that produced genetically based derangement of the central nervous system along with increased propensity to breed. The result has been pollution of the earth with perverted Kennedys on multiple continents.
8 posted on 09/23/2002 11:16:28 PM PDT by RLK
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To: MadIvan
Ivan .. does Mr. Kennedy realize that when our enemies delcared war on American and America's interests it could also meant that his country could get hit??

I could be wrong but don't we have interests in Britain also?? .. does Mr. Kennedy really think Saddem, Bin Laden and their merry gang of Thugs won't strike them??

9 posted on 09/23/2002 11:17:05 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: MadIvan
You're right ... I LOVED ir ! :-)
10 posted on 09/23/2002 11:18:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MadIvan
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be even a worse fate. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
Winston Chuchill
11 posted on 09/23/2002 11:19:28 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: nopardons
ir = it
12 posted on 09/23/2002 11:19:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MadIvan
Here I am, sitting in my chair, surfing Free Republic, and drinking my Leinenkugel's Oktoberfest Lager when all of a sudden, I see a HOLD MUH LAGER ALERT! Coincedence? I don't think so...

Excellent post. Seems as if Mr. Kenneday and Algore are singing from the same sheet of music...

13 posted on 09/23/2002 11:26:43 PM PDT by Ronzo
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To: MadIvan
In Gladstone's time neither of the major political factions being dominated by men of property were commies( Gladstone was the party of idealistic Raimondo libertarians Disraeli was more Machiavellian in foreign policy). Now the commies run all major parties.
14 posted on 09/23/2002 11:35:07 PM PDT by weikel
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To: MadIvan
Algore came out with and anti-Bush harangue today. Perhaps he and Mr. Kennedy will form a pan-Atlantic group chant.

"undermining the moral, legal and practical authority of the United Nations,"Kennedy

Unfortunately the United Nations is immoral, illegal and highly impractical.

15 posted on 09/24/2002 12:57:28 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: MadIvan
Delegates reserved applause for the sections that were the most questioning of American motives and his call for pressure to resolve the conflict between Israel and Palestinians.

This the verbatim message from the Saudis, Egyptians and other Arab nations. At least, by his rhetoric, we know whose pocket he's in.

16 posted on 09/24/2002 12:57:54 AM PDT by Imal
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To: nopardons
You're right ... I LOVED it ! :-)

I aim to please. ;)

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 09/24/2002 1:58:46 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
This is sad. Especially so as nations such as Britain will find they have now become the easiest target for Al Qaeda and other groups like it.

Do you imagine a change of attitude after an attack in England? Or will the liberals start blaming themselves, moaning how they never did enough to "understand" those poor, suffering Muslims?

18 posted on 09/24/2002 2:36:37 AM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: RLK
Perhaps JFK had occasional lapses of sanity?

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." – John F. Kennedy

19 posted on 09/24/2002 6:05:56 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
Perhaps JFK had occasional lapses of sanity?

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That speach was written by Ted Sorenson as a ploy to con the people. Kennedy bare knew or understood what as in it. I was similar to the time Kennedy went to South Dakota for a photo-op meeting with farmers. As he got back into his limosine he said, "Well, that's done. Fxxk the farmers after November." Anybody who believes anything Kennedy said or his intention to act upon it has a screw loose.

20 posted on 09/24/2002 11:23:41 AM PDT by RLK
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