GERMAN ELECTION (Running Thread): Schroeder by a Nosehair

Die Welt- translated ^ | 9/22/02 | Die Welt

[RobFromGa]

Election turnout probably smaller than 1998

Large opinion

Berlin/Rostock (dpa) - with the election to the Bundestag a smaller participation than before drew four years starting from 1998 lay it Germany far with 82,2 per cent in the late Sunday afternoon. However the returning officers reported high letter voter at the same time of a ratio. Everywhere the letter voters were not already taken in account. Thus a factor of uncertainty remained existing.

As one inquires around approximately three hours before locking of the polling stations resulted in, to against 15.00 o'clock in most Lands of the Federal Republic a clearly lower election turnout was registered. In Saxonia-Anhalt the participation lay at this time approximately 15 points under the values of the yearly 1998, in other Lands of the Federal Republic up to eight points. Also in the capital went to Berlin with herbstlich to cool weather clearly less voter to the urns.

On the other hand there was the tendency in few other Lands of the Federal Republic also to an easily higher election turnout - in such a way in Schleswig-Holstein and in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, where at the same time a new federal state parliament was selected.

In Saxonia the returning officers spoke first of a surprisingly large resonance, then the interest decreased/went back however clearly. Also in Bavaria the choice encountered in the first hours in some cities a substantially larger interest than 1998. There the participation up to 12 per cent points in the comparison rose to the same time before four years. Against noon this tendency decreased/went back likewise, of a clear minus was later spoken. It was similar in North Rhine-Westphalia and Hamburg.

From other Lands of the Federal Republic a rather weak resonance was determined. In Hessen, Thuringia, Saarland and Bremen the values decreased/went back. Also in Rhineland-Palatinate, Brandenburg and Lower Saxony the crush was smaller than 1998. In Baden-Wuerttemberg it meant: Election turnout constantly.

The polling stations for the election to the Bundestag had opened o'clock punctually at 08.00. 61,2 million Federal citizen were called to select a new parliament. With the election of the federal parliament in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania were entitled to vote about 1.4 million citizen.

After last inquiries and prognoses to the exit the SPD with Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder was appropriate for the election to the Bundestag scarcely before the union with her candidate for the chancellorship Edmund Stoiber (CSU). Since also the smaller parties FDP and the Green were strongly estimated approximately in each case equal, the continuation of the red-green coalition was considered as uncertain. For a government majority in the parliament it could be crucial whether the Party of Democratic Socialism draws again into the Bundestag or not.

The Social Democrats set to come into the proximity of their result from 1998 to. At that time they reached 40.9 per cent of the secondary voices. CDU/CSU had slipped before four years to 35,1 per cent, their secondaryworst result with elections to the Bundestag. The Greens reached 6.7 per cent, the FDP came on 6,2 per cent. The Party of Democratic Socialism overcame the five-per cent hurdle with 5,1 per cent scarcely.

After last inquiries in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania a confirmation of the red-red coalition of SPD and Party of Democratic Socialism under head of the government Harald Ringstorff (SPD) applied as extremely probable. 1998 had the SPD 34.3, which reaches Party of Democratic Socialism 24.4 and the CDU 30.2 per cent.

[SkyRat]

Seats in the Bundestag 598. Seats needed for functional government 300.

SPD has 299 seats, CDU/CSU 297

Right now, it's a pat situation. It's going to be a long night.

[Dog]

What about the military ballots....:-)

[JPJ1]

It's called a democracy! Something the US could learn from with only two parties and a few millionaires....

[RobFromGa]

"I see dead people."

[JamesWilson]

I live in Hesse. If you live in Texas would you vote for a presidental canidate living in Florida?

Sure, if he was gonna cut my taxes.

[SkyRat]

Both want to do that. Schröder made a tax cut already.

[M. Thatcher]

It's called a democracy! Something the US could learn from

Hey, ace: we have a representative republic.

And anyone who believes the US should "learn" from the frikkin GERMANS -- who, at the same time, has no clue about America's form of government -- is a twit.

[jimbo123]

A German democracy gave the world Hitler.

[VaBthang4]

Listen everyone....dont sweat it.

No matter who won....they were gonna be flamin Liberal from our standpoint. So nothing of real concern has taken place. Germany farted away the last decade and they are carrying their gastrointestinal problems into the new century...that's cool, whatever.

Their Socialist system will collapse the country at an exponential rate....then everyone will blame the jews and we'll start having a 1930 style vibe going again throughout the Deutchland.

Only this time........we've already got armoured divisions sitting in their front yard. Let'em reap what they have sown for the better part of 50 years.

Like having a friend on crack...it is hard to watch Ze Germans [as well as the rest of Europe] self destruct...but it is time for the comeupance.

[JamesWilson]

What are the current personal income tax rates in Germany?

[VaBthang4]

Bitter Losertarian alert!

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Has Schroder conceded??

He will not concede until Herr Carville conducts a recount.

[eabinga]

What are the current personal income tax rates in Germany?

Up to 51% (progressive). Also add a 16% sales tax to that and some others payroll taxes...

[SkyRat]

Too high :-)

Well, don't look at me, I voted for the FDP. What can I do if every guy around me is voting for some socalist party, be it SPD or CSU.

[UofORepublican]

The FDP is doing even worse than the Greens right now. Do you think its mainly because of Mollemann?

[Lessismore]

From Die Welt

Pool of broadcasting corporations sees red-green again in front

SPD and the Greens have the nose after the newest computer forecast of the pool of broadcasting corporations with the election to the Bundestag again scarcely in front. The present government coalition of 301 seats on itself therefore combines approximately two hours after locking of the polling stations. The SPD comes on 38,1 per cent, the Greens per 8,6 per cent. Strongest parliamentary group remained the CDU/CSU with 38,8 per cent. The FDP comes on 7,3 per cent, the Party of Democratic Socialism to 4,0.

[Wait4Truth]

So, how do things look? Who do you think is going to win; Shroeder or Stoiber??? Waiting for your words...

[marajade]

"Up to 51% (progressive). Also add a 16% sales tax to that and some others payroll taxes..."

Why bother seeking employment that pays anything?

[InvisibleChurch]

who votes on Sunday?

[McGavin999]

Bitter Losertarian alert!

Naw, more likely a greenie. I was having an exchange with him on another thread, finally gave up. Poor guy can't seem to form a cogent thought.