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Newark [NJ] bishop off abuse panel
Jersey Journal ^ | 9/19/02 | AP

Posted on 09/19/2002 7:28:23 AM PDT by Incorrigible

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To: ELS
You are, of course, completely correct. Fr. McBrien has a conflict-of-interest, and is not exactly an impartial source or disinterested party, regarding Bishop Myers. The news article is also rather biased. It should have mentioned that Fr. McBrien is a liberal theologian, while Bishop Myers is a consefvative bishop, so readers can know just where he (McBrien) is coming from.
21 posted on 09/19/2002 8:27:40 AM PDT by frogandtoad
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To: yendu bwam
it is extremely disturbing that he would be bounced from the commission.

But, he wasn't bounced. From the article (emphasis mine):

Myers' spokesman, Jim Goodness, said Myers was not asked to leave the committee.

"The real reason was just that he had a specific purpose for being on the committee at the time - to help draft the (policy) document," Goodness said. "Now that that is drafted, it's time for the committee to move on. It naturally would occur that some others would move onto the committee."

Bill Ryan, spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, agreed with Goodness.


22 posted on 09/19/2002 8:31:15 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Incorrigible
This article is almost entirely disinformation. Father McBrien is the premier dissident theologian in the country, since Fr. Curran was finally given the boot. He is a favorite interviewee and guest writer for the New York Times.

Bishop Myers is a conservative Catholic, who made Peoria famous for its fidelity to the Magisterium.

If there was a sex problem among the priests in Peoria, one can only assume that Bishop Myers inherited it and was unable to clean it up as promptly as one might wish.

As for the panel he is leaving, there are major flaws in what the Bishops enacted in Dallas. Rome is unlikely to approve what they decided there, because it was mostly done for PR purposes, does not accord with basic Christian or Catholic principles, and basically amounted to shirking their responsibility as bishops to teach the Word of God.

Fr. Neuhaus has an excellent piece on this whole business in the latest issue of First Things, which will appear on their web site in due course. In the meantime, I would only caution that this entire article is upside down. It calls black white, and white black, in the best PC fashion.
23 posted on 09/19/2002 8:40:00 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Incorrigible
First signal: quotation from McCormack. Reliable bad guy, anti-Catholic as can be, while drawing a salary from the Church (Notre Dame.)

Thus, the thesis of the story is likely wrong.

As to why Myers left, how about the possibility that the policy and the Commish will be shot down by Rome?
24 posted on 09/19/2002 8:42:53 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Incorrigible
CORRECTION: McCormack SHOULD BE McBrien. Hard to tell them apart at this distance.
25 posted on 09/19/2002 8:55:17 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Incorrigible
the Rev. Richard McBrien, a University of Notre Dame theology professor

Why do reporters, with rare exceptions, leave out the word heretic when describing McBrien.

26 posted on 09/19/2002 8:56:36 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: ELS
LOOK AT THE QUOTED SOURCE: McBrien. THAT'S who's 'doing the deed' on Myers--although possibly not alone...
27 posted on 09/19/2002 8:58:41 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: yendu bwam
Back off. I don't think any of your children have yet been assaulted--and in Milwaukee none of MY boys were, despite everything we know.

You are assuming Myers has the insight of the Holy Spirit and is able to act infallibly and instantly.

Wrong on both counts.
28 posted on 09/19/2002 9:00:20 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Incorrigible; american colleen; maryz; eastsider; Romulus; livius
If the press were into reporting truth they would have had to say;"McBrien,an insider in the guerilla movement,buried deep within the Church in the U.S.,says 'Bishop Myers left a mess in Peoria'.Parishioners on his team in the diocese,who are most often members of Call To Action,Wymyn's Church,We Are Church,Dignity and Catholics For Free Choice,agree with McBrien."
29 posted on 09/19/2002 9:11:37 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: ninenot
Back off. I don't think any of your children have yet been assaulted--and in Milwaukee none of MY boys were, despite everything we know.

No, but six teenage boys were anally raped weekly over a period of several years in the Catholic elementary school which my younger son attends. The homosexual rapist priest was transferred from place to place by my bishop. My bishop went on summer vacations with his best friend and a teenage boy friend of his friend. On those vacations the boy was repeated molested by the bishop's best friend. The bishop says he knew nothing. The former head of Seton Hall prep and his priest friend, a Catholic high school near us, were arrested a couple of months ago for soliciting sex from a 14-year old boy prostitute in Canada while the Pope was in Toronto. The prestigious Catholic high school which my older son attends has just informed us of accusations of priestly homosexual abuse against two of its faculty. Another Catholic high school in the next town over was almost closed, given a breakout of sexual abuse by homosexual priests against teenage boys. We have been informed in our local NJ papers of many other instances of homosexual abuse in parishes near us. No, my sons have not been molested. But I would be a fool to assume they are automatically safe in the company of priests around here. The Church in my area is deep into the homosexual abuse hellhole it's created for itself.

30 posted on 09/19/2002 9:12:53 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Yeah, I've heard the story and been rather patient with you.

What does any of the Seton Hall story have to do with Myers, who seems to have been around 700 miles away at the time?

And you haven't answered my question: did you expect Myers to KNOW ALL and ACT INSTANTLY in the cases of "allegations" (even if accurate, somewhat old) against priests???
31 posted on 09/19/2002 9:20:27 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Incorrigible
It was previously announced that Auxiliary Bishop A. James Quinn of Cleveland and Bishop John McCormack of Manchester, N.H., would leave the panel.

I don't remember seeing before that McCormack was on the panel! Who would have put him there???

According to the article, "Cleveland and New Hampshire also have undergone extensive investigations of sex abuse," but I'm afraid McCormack's real claim to fame is his former role as personnel director for clergy in the Archdiocese of Boston. He seems to have had an especially cordial relationship with Shanley.

32 posted on 09/19/2002 9:40:01 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Incorrigible
"But when we're in the kind of crisis we're in, you have to bend over backwards to make sure that everybody who is representing the church - and in this case the bishops - is carrying no baggage whatsoever.

Of course these days you certainly don't want to bend over forwards when there's a priest around

[Yes, I know that there are non-SAD priests, but why take chances that the one near you is not a sexual deviant?]

God Save America (Please)

33 posted on 09/19/2002 10:07:40 AM PDT by John O
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To: ninenot
Yeah, I've heard the story and been rather patient with you. What does any of the Seton Hall story have to do with Myers, who seems to have been around 700 miles away at the time?

You pointed out that my sons haven't been molested. I was pointing out that they are among the lucky ones in my area of New Jersey. There have been homosexual molester priests in our local church, in the next town's local church, in virtually all of the local Catholic high schools around here.

34 posted on 09/19/2002 11:30:27 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ninenot
And you haven't answered my question: did you expect Myers to KNOW ALL and ACT INSTANTLY in the cases of "allegations" (even if accurate, somewhat old) against priests???

Look, I don't know the specifics about Myers, nor have I claimed to. But given that a great, great many of the bishops in our country have been involved in shuffling homosexual molestor priests from parish to parish (those who have not actually had to resign from molesting boys themselves), and given that very, very few took immediate action when they found out about such (i.e., put the welfare of kids last), I would not be at all surprised if Myers did the same. And yes, I DO expect bishops to act instantly to take suspected molesters away from children. They have rarely if ever done so. Their track record is evil and deplorable. As for Myers, I hope that he is guiltless. But of course, we've been lied to so many times by the Church that I really don't believe anything it tells me in regard to this matter.

35 posted on 09/19/2002 11:34:48 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ninenot
You are assuming Myers has the insight of the Holy Spirit and is able to act infallibly and instantly.

I would like to assume he has the honor, decency and compassion to act instantly in cases of suspected abuse to shield children from those accused. Given the Church's track record, I don't automatically so assume.

36 posted on 09/19/2002 11:36:39 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Well, after you look up the term "prudence" in the dictionary, DO NOT run for any judicial posts in your State.

You have done a very good job of trying to smear every single Bishop with the significant sins of SOME of them. Guilt, by your standards, applies to an entire class of people just because they are in that class.

So did Karl Marx.
37 posted on 09/19/2002 11:43:19 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
You have done a very good job of trying to smear every single Bishop with the significant sins of SOME of them. Guilt, by your standards, applies to an entire class of people just because they are in that class.

Ninenot - Get off your very high horse. The fact is, the majority of bishops appears to have been involved in shuffling molestor priests around. All of them certainly knew fully well that there was a huge homosexual molestation problem in the Church, and all of them certainly knew that a huge contingent of Catholic priests are practicing homosexuals. They have all been collectively SILENT about all of this for years - until forced to admit to it by the press. Now, they can't even admit that homosexuality has something to do with the problem. There are some good bishops to be sure. I don't know which ones they are, given all the lies from the Church.

38 posted on 09/19/2002 11:49:44 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ninenot
Guilt, by your standards, applies to an entire class of people just because they are in that class.

No, I do not believe that. And clearly, some bishops have been more guilty than others. But - again, this homosexual putrefaction has been going on in the Church in America since the 60s and 70s. We've got a fair number of seminaries which are homosexual brothels and which are now unfriendly to normal men, we have 1/3 of the priesthood which is actively homosexual, we have thousands of homosexually molested boys across the country (and in many other countries as well), we have molestors shuffled from one place to another. In response to this, the bishops collectively have done, prior to their recent conference, just about NOTHING. The American bishops wanted, if you will remember, more power to govern themsevles collectively - hence the American bishops' conference. Well, the Pope (foolishly) allowed them some latitude, and the result is the queerized, molestatory Church we now have. While some bishops are more heavily slogging through the deep doo-doo of total hypocrisy and lies and a total disregard for the welfare of children, I DO believe that ALL of the bishops bear significant responsibility for this situation. I have'nt heard of bishops who were fighting tooth and nail to bring to light the homosexualization of the seminaries, or the teenage boy molestation problem. Only one, I repeat one bishop at the recent conference had the guts to submit that this entire sorded affair even had something to do with homosexuality. C'mon. The bishops collectively, even if not directly involved in abuse or shuffling themselves, have known fully well of this situation for years. They are, collectively, moral cowards, who, for the greater part, should not be in charge of our Church. Of course, not a one has been removed. Says something, doesn't it?

39 posted on 09/19/2002 12:45:15 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ninenot
Actually, a great many of the bishops in this country remind me of the Germans who stood by while Jews were carted away to the gas chambers. They saw nothing, heard nothing, felt nothing.
40 posted on 09/19/2002 12:48:02 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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