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Virginia Panel Votes to Leave 'Child Support' Undefined
Men's News Daily ^ | September 16, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 09/16/2002 6:42:22 AM PDT by RogerFGay


Virginia Panel Votes to Leave 'Child Support' Undefined

September 16, 2002
By Roger F. Gay

The Virginia Child Support Review Panel is tasked with assuring that use of the state's child support guideline results in appropriate awards. One might think this job impossible if the term "child support" is not defined. That is exactly what panel member Murray Steinberg thought. Mr. Steinberg has been trying since early June to have the panel agree on a definition of "child support."

The child support guideline is a fixed formula used for determining the amount of child support that one parent must pay to the other. Judges are required by law to presume that the guideline result is correct. Parents have a right to challenge the amount if it is unjust or inappropriate. But without sufficient definition and principles, there is no statutory basis for understanding what "just" or "appropriate" means. This leaves Virginia parents without a practical way to exercise the right.

Federal law requires, as a condition for funding child support enforcement programs, that states review their guidelines at least once every four years. In 1999, during the state's last review, then panel member Barry Koplen raised the same issue. A recommendation was submitted defining child support and providing necessary and sufficient principles for determining appropriate child support awards. The recommendation suggested specific changes to Virginia law.

That panel ignored the recommendation and the legislature never considered making changes to the law. Without defining the term "child support," the state obviously has no basis for certifying that their guidelines have anything at all to do with supporting children.

On July 1st, without discussion, the panel voted 8-1 to "keep the current definition" meaning that the panel continue its review without defining the all important term. The motion to hold the vote was given by state Senator Frederick Quayle (R-District 13). Senator Quayle's two offices was contacted twice by email over a two week period asking for comment. A staff member responded that he was not available.

The design of the Virginia guideline rests heavily on the work of Robert Williams, a child support collection entrepreneur who provides consulting through Policy Studies, Inc. His collection company, which operates in Virginia, keeps approximately one third of the child support money paid through contracts it has with states and individuals, making the size of child support awards a direct factor in the company's profits.

States receive additional federal funding in proportion to the amount of child support collected. Like other states, Virginia counts all child support payments made through their system as "collections" even when they are made on time. Arbitrarily increasing the amount awarded increases the amount of federal funding they receive.

Williams contends publicly and in his consulting with states that his work is based on "economic studies." But in a deposition taken in P.O.P.S. v Gardner, he admitted that he made it up and said that acceptance of his design depends on states accepting his policy choices. The explicit goal of his "Income-Shares" guideline, introduced in 1987, was to increase the average amount of child support awards to 250 percent of what it would be under traditionally established child support law.

When questioned by the review panel in 1995, Williams admitted that he could not identify any of the components in his cost estimates, including food, clothing, housing, education, routine medical expenditure, and transportation. He was unable to identify how much of the estimated cost is fixed and how much of it varies according to visitation arrangements and other factors.

According to Mr. Murray, the panel has not presented any current research and data on the cost of and expenditures necessary for rearing children. "We have no data related to the actual cost of raising a child in a separated or divorced, two home situation."

Income-Shares guidelines have never been shown to correspond to any set of policy choices that are rationally related to "child support," and states have implemented the model by eliminating definitions and principles from their statutes. Williams has responded to critics by claiming that the arbitrarily high orders provide a higher standard of living in custodial parent households.

But the question of increasing standard of living through child support payments has already been addressed scientifically. There is a limit to the standard of living increase that can be obtained through a child support payment. Increasing child support amounts beyond the limit introduces what has become known as hidden alimony. Many experts agree that it is illegal (incl. unconstitutional) to include alimony in a child support award.

Virginia's approach uses extremely dubious estimates of what two parent families spend on children, which include arbitrarily high percentages of such families' expenditures on housing and transportation. What an intact family might spend is unrelated to post divorce spending. This leads to child support awards that are quite random in their relation to actual family circumstances and the needs of children regardless of the credibility of the estimates.

Another contentious aspect of the guideline is its intentional denial of credit for support provided by noncustodial parents during visitation periods, and inadequate credit for near or greater direct support provided by parents with joint custody.

Murray Steinberg has been through it all before. He previously served twice on the state panels, in 1993 and 1995. He refused reappointment in 1999 acknowledging that the majority of political appointees on each panel are predisposed to maintaining the status quo. He accepted reappointment for this review after receiving assurance that things would be different this time. Indications are however, that this review will be like the rest.

Copyright © 2002 Roger F. Gay


Roger F. Gay is a professional analyst and director of Project for the Improvement of Child Support Litigation Technology. He has also been an intensive political observer for many years culminating in a well-developed sense of honest cynicism. Other articles by Roger F. Gay can be found at Fathering Magazine and Men's News Daily.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: children; childsupport; corruption; fathers; federalism; globalism; internationalism; socialism
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1 posted on 09/16/2002 6:42:23 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: JimKalb; Free the USA; EdReform; realwoman; Orangedog; Lorianne; Outlaw76; balrog666; DNA Rules; ...
Story still unfolding. I'm studying a technical report suggesting an increase in amount the Virginia guidelines would figure as child support.
2 posted on 09/16/2002 6:43:39 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
I'll save you the guesswork.

It'll remain "undefined" simply to facilitate "maximum screw-age" to fathers or purported fathers. End of story.

3 posted on 09/16/2002 6:45:14 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
I have no need to guess. I've watched the process in several states for several years. You have it right.
4 posted on 09/16/2002 6:47:49 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay; RightOnline
I hate to say it, but the only change in the system that anyone will see is a change for the worse...and as bad as it is, it WILL get worse. Why? Consider this. What do the following groups have in common?:

1. Smokers
2. Former Enron executives
3. Divorced fathers


All three of those groups are political lepers. If people were picked randomly for a survey and asked for their first impression of each of those three, here is what you'd get:

1. Smokers....disgusting, filthy
2. Former Enron executives...Theives, liars
3. Divorced fathers...dead-beats

No one is going to get elected or re-elected if it even looks like they will support anyone from those groups. To the best of my knowledge, no elected or appointed official who goes after any of those three has ever lost their job because of it.

As for me...my one and only will be 18 in 5 years. I'll do all I can to enjoy the time that the system so graciously allows me to have. The best I'm hoping for is that the system doesn't become too much worse until then. Took care of the vasectomy a year ago. Don't have any plans on dating for at least the next five years. There was a time where the idea of trying to have a family again (like the ex has done three times since the divorce) looked ok. But now...that would be one of the more recklass and downright stupid things that I could think of doing. I'll be damned if I'll ever put myself into another situation where my own child is considered as little more than pawn for lawyers, judges and polititans and see me as little more than an account number who is only tollerated as long as I pay up and shut up.

Good luck to you, Roger and all the others who have followed these threads. I've got plenty of reminders of just what the system and society think me in the media and daily life. I don't have the energy, drive or desire left to follow this subject any longer. I might look in on it sometime next year, but it's kind of like the movies "Titanic" and "Apollo 13." I already knew the plot and ending before the movies were released.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 10:33:24 AM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
It's not a political problem at all. I mean it has nothing to do with public opinion. Certainly I've thought about how to fix it, and there are a thousand ways. The problem is money. The federal government is doling out billions every year for child support enforcement and it's not audited. People are lining their pockets with it.
6 posted on 09/16/2002 12:57:07 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: goldstategop
bump
7 posted on 09/17/2002 4:22:29 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Orangedog
I paid child support for years and years ordered by a Virginia Court. I even paid for 12 months of child support for my son after his mother voluntarily asked me to take custody. Go figger. This system is akin to property forfeiture or asset seizure laws so popular across the nation. There is just way too much money in it for the bureaucrats. The "deadbeats" do not have a chance at anything closely resembling a fair hearing. In the end I just did my grin and bear it routine and outlasted the bastards. The scars are still evident.
8 posted on 09/17/2002 4:49:12 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Movemout
>> I even paid for 12 months of child support for my son after his mother voluntarily asked me to take custody<<

It makes no difference how much your kids live with you, as long as you pay their mother as if they didn't.

This is often cheaper than litigation (actually, it's always cheaper than litigation)-offer the guideline (you will pay it anyway)-and take your kids.

As long as the $$ are flowing to mommy, no one will care.

9 posted on 09/17/2002 4:53:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Orangedog
Oh, I forgot to mention something. In the eight years I had legal custody of my son, and despite court orders that she pay child support to me, I received the princely sum of $350 for the entire period. This outrage occured while she lived in federally subsidized housing for single parents (no children in residence) but employed nonetheless. It still sends shivers down my spine. I'm just clanking my chains because I am so happy with our government.
10 posted on 09/17/2002 4:55:51 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Jim Noble
"As long as the $$ are flowing to mommy, no one will care. "

Exactly the conclusion that I came to at the time. And you are right, it is cheaper than paying two lawyers. I learned how to keep my mouth shut and soldier on.

11 posted on 09/17/2002 4:58:46 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Movemout
>> In the eight years I had legal custody of my son, and despite court orders that she pay child support to me, I received the princely sum of $350 for the entire period. This outrage occured while she lived in federally subsidized housing for single parents (no children in residence) but employed nonetheless<<

The benefits to your son, however, were precious beyond the ability of $$ to measure.

You did the right thing, the money game in divorce is a con anyway, just forget about it.

12 posted on 09/17/2002 4:59:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: RogerFGay
Your right, Roger, the problem is money.But, like you say about Income-Shares guidelines:

Income-Shares guidelines have never been shown to correspond to any set of policy choices that are rationally related to "child support," and states have implemented the model by eliminating definitions and principles from their statutes.

Neither does a Cost-Shares plan correspond to the stated public purpose of collecting from absent parents in support of dependent children. The term "child support" IS defined in case law, and is evident by a study of the law's history. See Sullivan v. Stroop, 496 U.S. 478 (1990). The cost to raise a child is considered in the states calculation for income levels resulting in the need for public assistance. This is the only relevant amount the state has an interest in maintaining because it determines whether the family is covered under the act, and whether the agency or court can evidence the need for a child support order in the first place.

In a private action for support, where a father has abandoned his family, it doesn't matter what the income of the mother is. In a public action for child support, a finding of dependency is required for jurisdiction over the "absent parent." If the agency and courts were held to the constraints imposed by the legislative authority assumed under the state's parens patriae power, the money equation would be reduced substantially.

And for those who beleive a "dead beat" has no chance of receiving a fair hearing, you may be looking for the wrong kind of releif. We're not asking here to make these orders more fair. We're demanding they be vacated, because they have failed to evidence dependency or absence under the law. "More fair" only means more discression. They don't have any, where there is no need. The guidelines were not intended to be fair. They are a means of recovering arrears from absent parents.

13 posted on 01/07/2003 8:57:52 AM PST by right2parent
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To: right2parent
I believe I understand your points clearly. In this post I'm going to discuss your last point -- more fairness means more discretion. I can see what you mean, assuming that the current guidelines remain in effect. The only way to get fair is to ignore them. Judges then must use their discretion to produce results other than those prescribed by the guidelines. I'm going to respond more generally -- NOT assuming that current guidelines remain in effect.

I do not agree with your conclusion that "more fair" equals more discretion. If we assume that fairness exists (and I do more than assume it) then it must be defined basically by limiting the treatment options, not expanding them. If you eliminate all that is unfair, what you have left is fair (in this situation). What I've discovered from my studies, is that there are not in fact a whole bunch of different "fairness" options out there, just waiting for a political consensus. What's fair is fair. Those who "vote" for something different are wrong.
14 posted on 01/20/2003 7:39:44 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
I do not agree with your conclusion that "more fair" equals more discretion.

That's about as far away from my conclusion as you can get. A judge, lawfully, has absolutely no discression in setting a continuing child support obligation under the act. The amount of the obligation is the amount it takes to avoid the public expenditure. To recover any "actual" arrears, a judge has limited discression under the guidelines and related exemption sections to set an amount for reimbursement for public money already expended. That's what arrears are. Any on-going contribution (welfare assistance amount) must be considered in the amount calculated for reimbursement. It's the difference between an ongoing obligation that the state may impose, and the rate of reimbursement under the guidelines that get confused. It's the lawful application of the guidelines that's the problem. The cost to raise a child, beyond what it takes to keep them off the welfare roles, have nothing to do with reimbursement, or the guidelines. The only way to get fair is to constrain the act to it's lawful purpose, shrinking the abuses and the cost of the program dramatically.

15 posted on 01/20/2003 8:43:54 AM PST by right2parent
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To: right2parent
Please read my last message carefully.
16 posted on 01/21/2003 8:34:45 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
. . there are not in fact a whole bunch of different "fairness" options out there, just waiting for a political consensus.

My point is, if you were to find out the child support program were restricted to a particular class it was intended to protect, as it is clearly articulated in it's enabling act, and by the supreme court, you would understand the purpose of the guidelines statute.

What I am equating fairness to, is lawful. The guidelines are not unfair. They are misapplied, in violation of the Social Security Act, and various rights of the supposed "obligor." Advocating a "cost shares" model for the guidelines, for example, is incongruous, as it bears no relationship to the purpose of the act, and makes the law unconstitutional on it's face.

You don't need to ignore the guidelines in cases where an absent parent has built up arrears for past public assistance provided. But these are the cases that legitimately fall under the classification affected by the law. The mother may have a cause of action outside of this class, but the state does not have a cause of action under the child support program in all cases.

17 posted on 01/21/2003 3:21:53 PM PST by right2parent
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To: right2parent
The term "child support" IS defined in case law, and is evident by a study of the law's history. See Sullivan v. Stroop, 496 U.S. 478 (1990).

The term "child support" WAS defined in statute. The definition WAS clearly applied in case law.
18 posted on 03/06/2003 7:22:47 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
The term "child support" WAS defined in statute. The definition WAS clearly applied in case law.

What's your point? You can call an absent parent a "non-custodial" parent too. Under Title IV of the Social Security Act, the terms mean the same thing.

19 posted on 03/06/2003 8:59:19 PM PST by right2parent
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To: right2parent
What's my point, you ask? You said "child support" IS defined in statute. I responded that it WAS defined in statute. WAS is the past tense of IS. What is it you don't get?
20 posted on 03/29/2003 12:36:26 PM PST by RogerFGay
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