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AltaVista tries to beat Chinese ban (REDS VS. DOT COMMERS)
BBC News ^ | September 12, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/12/2002 3:54:27 AM PDT by MadIvan

AltaVista has hit back at the Chinese ban on its search engine, promising to find alternative ways to reach China's 46 million surfers.

The US-based site is the second search engine to fall foul of the Chinese Government's strict censorship of the web after Google was banned last week.

The company said it was very concerned to find that AltaVista.com and AltaVista.co.uk were inaccessible in China.

"Free access to information is the cornerstone of our mission," said General Manager of AltaVista International Kevin Eyres.

Limited information

"We have tried to contact the Chinese consulate in the US but have had no response from them so far," he added.

Some of AltaVista's international addresses remain accessible in China and users can use translation tools to read pages in Mandarin Chinese.

An experimental site that AltaVista used to test new technology - raging.com - is also now carrying the main AltaVista page.

China has the second largest web audience behind the US but the government in Beijing is keen to limit the amount of information available to citizens.

As well as controlling the main internet service providers (ISPs) in the country, the government also uses internet filters to block access to sites run by banned groups and some foreign news organisations such as the BBC.

This has been dubbed the Great Red Firewall of China.

Web hijacks

It has been reported that Google's web address has been hijacked by government-approved ISPs. Users are being rerouted to Chinese sites.

Mr Eyres said that AltaVista had had "unconfirmed reports" of the same thing happening to its web addresses.

"It is difficult for people to tell exactly what is happening," he said.

Whatever the situation, AltaVista is keen to find a quick resolution.

"We want to put an end to this cat and mouse game with the sites being blocked. We really want to understand how we can provide an uncompromised product in China," said Mr Eyres.

Some firms including Yahoo have signed up to a pledge, promising to remove any material deemed unsuitable by the government from its site.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: altavista; china; freedom; google; internet; usa
Yahoo are utter cowards. The techonology is more powerful than governments, as Bill Clinton found out with Free Republic. I hope some Chinese surfers happen by here. ;)

Good luck to Google and Alta Vista in trying to bring down the blockade.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/12/2002 3:54:27 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Happygal; justshe; tet68; Tony in Hawaii; AxelPaulsenJr; anatolfz; iceskater; Truth Addict; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 09/12/2002 3:54:52 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan; jla
Great Red Firewall of China.

I like that phrase. Catchy! :-)

3 posted on 09/12/2002 4:00:32 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
Google mirror beats Great Firewall of China
4 posted on 09/12/2002 4:11:57 AM PDT by Neuromancer
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To: MadIvan
Top of the day to ya, Ivan (or afternoon as the case may be).

"We want to put an end to this cat and mouse game with the sites being blocked. We really want to understand how we can provide an uncompromised product in China," said Mr Eyres.

Geez..."uncompromised"?

Asking how to make your content acceptable to the ChiComs? Of course, you compromise and do as they say. If Alta Vista just rolled over like the putz's at Yahoo, then the Internet-surfin' chinese could see their advertising banners too.

After all, isn't that their real aim. The ChiComs can pull the plug and eliminate outside access any time they want.

5 posted on 09/12/2002 4:19:29 AM PDT by woofer
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To: MadIvan
A simple p2p network that cache prohibited sites and function as proxy for the big search engines would do I think. Use PGP encryption for information and make the clients (for the Chinese people) as simple IE or Netscape plugins.
6 posted on 09/12/2002 4:44:54 AM PDT by anguish
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To: MadIvan
Go dot-com capitalists!
7 posted on 09/12/2002 4:46:40 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: MadIvan; Poohbah
The appropriate response, IMHO, would be to start finding out how to send the Great Red Firewall all the way to FUBAR. Wage full and unrelenting infowarfare on the PRC's Internet sensors.

Hopefully, while they are at it, they can maybe hack into some PLAN computers and find out WTF the ChiComs are up to...
8 posted on 09/12/2002 5:26:50 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: MadIvan
You forget, one of the founders of Yahoo is of Chinese origin. There meay be more at play than meets the eye.
9 posted on 09/12/2002 6:36:55 AM PDT by Cacique
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To: MadIvan
As always its about the dollar and politics.

Yahoo agreed to censor their news and spin things the way Beijing likes it spun. Its not just in China either. If anyone tries to happen by news about China via yahoo, they are going to get the spun version.

I have been watching news about China for a long time, and I have seen a noticeable difference in the coverage. Yahoo is now the mouthpiece for the CCP on the net. Its the Ren Min Ri Bao of the internet.

They want to sway American ways of thinking and Yahoo agreed to help. Its not about porn, because yahoo is so full of the stuff for a surfer, that anyone looking can find it. Its politics.

Now because of this willingness to play ball, Yahoo is getting rewarded. If companies want to target China, Google and Alta Vista are now gone buh-bye. The choice is either a Chinese company, or Yahoo.

They basically opened up a big funnel to force money into Yahoo. If companies want to advertise in China, its gotta happen via Yahoo.

Killing the competition for political purposes. This is exactly what "guan-xi" is. So much for the WTO "we-are-going-to-open-our-markets" BS.

Yeah, they will open their markets, just so long as you do what they say....

10 posted on 09/12/2002 6:52:11 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Neuromancer
Read my 35 on that thread about the mirror. It doesn't help Chinese surfers at all.
11 posted on 09/12/2002 7:53:18 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: maui_hawaii; Poohbah
Time for Google and Altavista to think a little outside the box. Were I their corporate counsels, after I request the formal WTO complaints, I'd then be thumbing through the Yellow Pages for Hackers 'R' Us.

Let the computer geeks have at the firewalls and take them down - preferably HARD.
12 posted on 09/12/2002 11:24:05 AM PDT by hchutch
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