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Florida vote goes from chad to worse - Glitches bedevil new system; Reno trails
Associated Press ^ | September 12, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 09/12/2002 3:31:32 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP


Florida vote goes from chad to worse

Glitches bedevil new system; Reno trails in Democratic primary

09/12/2002

Associated Press

MIAMI - Despite a $32 million renovation, Florida's new election system crashed in an embarrassment that, like the 2000 election, left residents wondering whether their votes counted, candidates pondering recounts and everyone asking who's to blame.

"You guys have NO idea what a mess this has been," state election monitor Mike Lindsey wrote his Tallahassee bosses in a pre-dawn e-mail Wednesday from Broward County. "The mess was the result of no planning, poor leadership, lack of 'process ownership' and passing the buck."

The debacle, echoing the 2000 presidential stalemate, drew even more scrutiny because, once again, Florida had a high-profile race that was too close to call.

With 3 percent of precincts still to report by Wednesday afternoon, former Attorney General Janet Reno trailed Tampa lawyer Bill McBride for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination by 19,000 votes out of more than 1 million cast.

The voting problems included technical and human error. Workers had problems starting up new touch-screen voting machines; ballot cards tore and couldn't be read on optical scanning machines; and technical problems delayed processing the electronic cartridges used in the touch-screen voting machines. In Miami-Dade, nearly half of the ballots that were still uncounted Wednesday were cast by black voters.

In addition, some poll workers failed to show up, several polling places opened late and some voters were wrongly turned away for not showing a picture identification.

In response to complaints Tuesday, Gov. Jeb Bush extended polling by two hours but that led to yet more abuses: In Hollywood, workers at one precinct who had not been told of the extension held the door shut and cursed at voters.

In all, 14 of the state's 67 counties reported voting problems, including six of the seven that were sued after the 2000 presidential stalemate.

On Wednesday, the blame game was fast and furious.

Voters and Mr. Bush pointed fingers at election chiefs in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, which bought touch-screen machines to replace punch-card equipment. All counties were required to get rid of punch-card ballots.

Others worried that Florida's troubles were a warning of more to come. Several states scrapped punch-card ballots, bought new equipment and changed their laws since the presidential race.

"It's not just Florida. It's a national problem," said Rob Richie, executive director of the Center for Voting and Democracy, based in Maryland. "We will have lots of problems in the next two months."

Ms. Reno met with legal advisers and contemplated legal action Wednesday.

She could demand a recount or sue to overturn the results. Secretary of State Jim Smith said the race may be tight enough to automatically trigger a statewide recount.

By Wednesday evening, with 99 percent of precincts reporting, Mr. McBride had 599,057 votes, or 45 percent, compared with Ms. Reno's 588,034 votes, or 44 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones had 155,648 votes, or 12 percent.

Among other races across the nation:

Washington, D.C., Mayor Anthony A. Williams had a commanding lead at the end of the first day of counting write-in ballots in the city's Democratic mayoral primary. By Wednesday evening, Mr. Williams had 17,299 votes in his re-election bid, compared with 1,958 for the Rev. Willie F. Wilson. Poll workers were to return Thursday to continue counting.

Two-term New York Gov. George Pataki faced no Republican opponent but lost the Independence Party nomination to billionaire businessman B. Thomas Golisano. That means Mr. Golinsano's name will be on the November ballot, along with that of state Comptroller H. Carl McCall, who won the Democratic nomination a week after former U.S. Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo dropped out.

In Maryland, Democratic Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and Republican Rep. Robert Ehrlich won their parties' gubernatorial nominations. State Sen. Christopher Van Hollen defeated Kennedy cousin Mark Shriver for the Democratic nomination to challenge eight-term GOP Rep. Constance Morella.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/091202dnnatflorida.8b9.html


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
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To: kinganamort; afraidfortherepublic; cake_crumb; davidosborne; seekthetruth; BigWaveBetty; kayak; ...
BREAKING: 7:00 pm Thursday - MCBRIDE just gave his acceptance speech on only one local Tampa Bay station wtvt Fox Ch. 13. I might have been the only person from here who saw it and my mom called me to watch it. Maybe it's posted on their web site.

This is McBride's campaign strategy: 1. I'M A NICE GUY. 2. PLEASE GOVERNOR BUSH, DON'T ATTACK ME ANY MORE AND LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THE PAST. YOU WERE MEAN TO ME, JEB BUSH. 3. ATTACK GOVERNOR BUSH AND LIE about CUTTING, CUTTING, CUTTING.

Please pass this on, copy and paste this and tell people what we've got to look forward to. This is what McLawyer will say in a town near you. He's miscalculated how many Floridians think Jeb's a great Governor and not showing an ounce of respect for the Office.

Before that, he name dropped a fireman who died in the Towers and name dropped his machine gunner from Vietnam who lost a leg (just like election night). He's shameless and tacky and he didn't give any "specifics" except that he is aggressively going after Jeb. Clinton lessons? Probably.

If you aren't supposed to be on my ping list, please advise by bumping this to the top. I try to remove a name immediately but stuff happens. And everyone else on the USA-Florida ping list, hang in there with me until November. I promise low volume and am retiring this list after Jeb wins re-election! Yay! FV

41 posted on 09/12/2002 5:40:13 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
This is interesting that he decided to give an acceptance speech before Reno concedes. His campaign previously announced he would not do that, and would first wait for Reno's concession speech. So much for that idea, I guess.
42 posted on 09/12/2002 5:51:41 PM PDT by summer
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To: floriduh voter
Great, a lawyer in the Klintoon tradition. Just what we need to watch and listen to on our televisions for the next 60 days. I think I'm going to stock up on air sickness bags.
43 posted on 09/12/2002 5:56:17 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing; PhiKapMom
Well, at least he was only on one station and he summed up very nicely for us what his campaign is going to be about until he loses in November. Yes, it's always disgusting to listen to people lying and waging personal attacks.

All Floridians should want to get the vote out for Jeb. I could say more but I don't want to help the man if any of his goons are lurking here.

44 posted on 09/12/2002 6:01:38 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: summer
It's my guess that he couldn't wait any longer because they "are going to put their jeans on and wear them all over the State" to lie to Floridians. LOL
45 posted on 09/12/2002 6:03:21 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Thanks for the ping, FV; this is the first time I've heard of McBride's acceptance speech.

If Reno is planning on challenging the election, this might prompt her to start some action on it soon. This should either force her to concede or fight. I'm hoping for a nasty fight!
46 posted on 09/12/2002 6:08:25 PM PDT by Truth Addict
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To: Truth Addict
I'm hoping for a nasty fight!

Reno can't face the humiliation of losing to a nobody so that is why she is dragging her feet on conceding.

47 posted on 09/12/2002 6:14:53 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Truth Addict
Exactly. The local Fox affiliate was the only station who carried McLawyer's acceptance speech. That's why I jumped on it. Sometimes I do new threads but this thread's a fine place for McBride's acceptance speech summary without giving him extra publicity here at FR.
48 posted on 09/12/2002 6:21:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Hey, has anyone noticed that the three districts that seem to have the voting problems (Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward) are the SAME three districts that had the problem in the Presidential election?

Looks to me like no matter HOW they try, no matter what stunts the Dems pull, people keep voting Republican, dag nabbit...we gotta recount AGAIN!

Only in this case, we've got McLawyer The Clown on one hand, and "Waco Barbecue" Reno on the other.

Personally, it would have been interesting to see Reno win...it would have been easier for Jeb to beat her. All he'd have to do is televise the taped burning of Waco, with a voice-over of any Floridians killed, and a truthful (and highly damning) listing of those responsible, with Janet Reno at the TOP of that list.

With Barbecue Beotch out of the running, McLawyer might draw the sympathy vote. I think Jeb will beat him because Jeb's a REAL Governor, not a talking head with his puppet strings showing.

But hey, that's just an opinion.

DG
49 posted on 09/12/2002 6:44:36 PM PDT by DGallandro
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To: PJ-Comix
Reno blamed Bush for "abdicating" his responsibilities in the voting precincts debacle, hoping, I suppose, that viewers are too stupid to realize that Jeb has nothing to do with running the polls in Democratic Party controlled Miami-Dade and Broward counties.

TV reporter Michael Putney set the record straight immediately, however. He said Florida's Secretary of State offered to help to Leahy (Miami-Dade Supervisor of Elections), and Oliphant (Broward Supervisor of Elections) last week and was told that no help was needed.

50 posted on 09/12/2002 7:39:30 PM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett; Ax; ijcr
Florida REPUBLICAN Primary Comment Thread. Tell the press that there is another side to this story....the responsible (Republican) poll worker-voter side. No problems here in SW Florida.
51 posted on 09/12/2002 8:11:45 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: floriduh voter; summer
So the race between McBride and Reno was truly one of the lesser of 2 way big evils...
52 posted on 09/12/2002 9:19:06 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: floriduh voter
keep me on your ping list.
53 posted on 09/12/2002 10:09:55 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: floriduh voter; summer; JulieRNR21; Nuke'm Glowing
I still say that if Reno and McBride are still gonna argue about which of them won the DemocRATic nomination, let 'em duel it out with pistols. Put it on "pay per view" -- I've got my credit card and VCR ready.

That said, I read today in the SHT that McBride has been declared the winner by FL SoS Jim Smith, and that "Education" is going to be the primary focus of debate between McLawyer and Jeb. So, summer, you have your work cut out for you, since you're the definite expert on this particular subject -- please keep Jeb and little ol' us'ns informed and erudite on this "issue"!


54 posted on 09/13/2002 5:25:57 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: MeeknMing
'process ownership'

I'm scared to think what this might mean.

55 posted on 09/13/2002 5:29:27 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dalebert; PhiKapMom; Joe Brower; summer; katherineisgreat; JulieRNR21; BigWaveBetty; MeeknMing; ...
A wise decision to stay on my ping list. I've given information to the Reno Campaign about McBride. It appears that Janet is is writing to ALL on her supporter email surveying if they had voter problems.

I took it to another level, skipping her form. McBride's done other things that shall remain off the record. If it comes out in public or Court, I'll do a thread. But, that could be a few weeks away.

56 posted on 09/13/2002 8:20:57 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: Utah Girl
You better believe it.... I think Bill Daley and Carville helped McLawyer over in Miami-Dade and Broward. What does help consist of? Your guess is as good as mine.

Jeb's going to win in November in any event. But, we'll all be sick to our stomachs until November and then if Jeb is challenged after he wins the election. (Oh, and headaches too). FV

57 posted on 09/13/2002 8:23:39 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
See post 56.
58 posted on 09/13/2002 8:24:38 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Thanks !
59 posted on 09/13/2002 8:45:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: floriduh voter
The thing that makes me sick is the fact that the Democrats are using Florida as their test site, watch for this type of screwup and challenges to start going to other states...
60 posted on 09/13/2002 9:28:12 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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