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[Intel vs. AMD] Speed limits on P4 could open window for AMD
The Inquirer ^ | 9-8-2002 | Mike Magee

Posted on 09/09/2002 2:44:45 AM PDT by JameRetief

Speed limits on P4 could open window for AMD

Can Barton scale to high speeds fast?

By Mike Magee in San Jose: Sunday 08 September 2002, 23:47

THE MOST RECENT roadmap we saw from the Intel Corporation warns motherboard makers that with the introduction of 3.06GHz Pentium 4 in Q4, the designers are creating a somewhat new die layout for the Northwood process.

This new layout might well be related to some significant errata in the processor, which we reported a few weeks ago.

But with the introduction of 512K cache "Barton" AMD XP chips, we think that Intel may well be giving the smaller chip company a real chance to catch up again on the clock speed front, irrespective of any Clawhammer introductions in Q4 this year or Q1 the next.

In fact, the roadmaps only show Intel able to reach something like 3.20GHz on Pentium 4s, and AMD might well have an additional lease of life in the constantly changing Megahurts Madness both firms play.

One problem, according to sources close to the matter, is that when the internal chip frequency hits 6GHz, as it does with the 3.06GHz because the adders are double clocked to get the work done in a single pipeline cycle, Intel will have to eventually re-engineer the design of the P4 to keep it viable. But such a task is of such magnitude that to achieve the frequencies the firm is projecting in 2005 or so, it is probably more realistic to start another design rather than re-engineer all the innards of the processor.

The same roadmaps show Intel has to swap to a 90 nanometer process for the Pentium 4 to achieve higher clock speeds. While some people are speculating that Intel may demo machines clocking at significantly higher frequencies at the Intel Developer Forum in San Jose this week, the new chemistry AMD is producing could give Chipzilla some real headaches.

The speculation is that Barton speeds might significantly increase over the next three to six months, giving AMD the performance crown at a time when it needs it, and also allowing them to slip in the Clawhammer as a performance booster too.

We're confident that Intel will be able to produce the 90 nano technology, but the P4 at 90 nano surely has to be the end of the road for this particular design.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: amd; athlon; design; errata; hammer; intel; pentium4; processor; scalability; speedlimits

1 posted on 09/09/2002 2:44:45 AM PDT by JameRetief
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; rdb3
Processor Ping!
2 posted on 09/09/2002 2:45:29 AM PDT by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Good. The more these guys fight like rabid dogs, always one-upping each other, the better it is for the consumer. Intel used to be a fat, lazy company that pushed out minor increments in speed and performance until about 1999. And then, out of the blue, we jump from 500 Megahertz to 1000 Megahertz speeds in one year. All this because AMD was finally able to introduce a viable competing chip. (Even though they had been in the market for a while)
3 posted on 09/09/2002 3:05:49 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
Damn... I'm feeling slow with my dual 2 GHz P4 machine... It's only a year old...
4 posted on 09/09/2002 5:26:16 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
If my computer (1.4GHz P4, almost 2 yrs old) were a human, it would have arthritis and need a hip replacement.
5 posted on 09/09/2002 7:09:02 AM PDT by Genesis defender
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To: DB
Don't feel bad. Mine's a 900 Mhz, single processor
6 posted on 09/09/2002 7:33:00 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: JameRetief
 Intel will have to eventually re-engineer the design of the P4 to keep it viable

Mega-DUH bump.

7 posted on 09/09/2002 7:37:38 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: JameRetief
For most people owning anything more than a 1-1.5ghz proc is overkill. Simple as that. I just laugh when I hear people who all they do is basically clerical work with their PCs complain that their 1.4-1.8Ghz PC "just isn't cutting it anymore." WTF are you doing, using your PC as a micro render farm to build a life size CGI picture of the Empire State Building in the background while you type?!
8 posted on 09/09/2002 10:10:29 AM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
Sheeeesh, I am still running a PII 300.
9 posted on 09/09/2002 10:33:22 AM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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To: Mr_Magoo
I know what you mean. I'm in the IT business and still use a Dell Optiplex GxPro (dual Pentium Pro) upgraded with two Intel 333mHz PIIs and 384mb RAM. Since I don't play games, it has more than enough responsiveness

I'll wait for the next bus architechture change and then upgrade...

dvwjr
10 posted on 09/09/2002 11:47:34 AM PDT by dvwjr
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To: dheretic
For most people owning anything more than a 1-1.5ghz proc is overkill. Simple as that. I just laugh when I hear people who all they do is basically clerical work with their PCs complain that their 1.4-1.8Ghz PC "just isn't cutting it anymore." WTF are you doing, using your PC as a micro render farm to build a life size CGI picture of the Empire State Building in the background while you type?!

One word: Games! The average home computer is used to play games amongst other things. Minimum system requirements are now passing the 1ghz mark. As we all know, minimum system requirements are a joke. Usually to have a good gaming experience you have to far exceed the MSR. Honest reviews of the new Jedi Knight game have set the MSR at 2ghz with no less than a Radeon 8550 or Nvidia Geforce ti 4200 pushing video.

11 posted on 12/24/2002 9:04:22 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas
Not to mention the increasing memory requirements. 512 MB minimum to play EverCrack's latest expansion, right?
12 posted on 12/24/2002 9:12:59 PM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Mr_Magoo
Steam powered Pentium 166 Mhz here. Anyone still on a 486?
13 posted on 12/24/2002 9:30:02 PM PST by xp38
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