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1 posted on 09/05/2002 3:06:11 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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2 posted on 09/05/2002 3:09:09 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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Of course all the Democrats who criticized Bush 41 for not finishing the job and taking out Saddam are lining up behind this, right?
3 posted on 09/05/2002 3:12:17 PM PDT by Inyokern
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4 posted on 09/05/2002 3:47:13 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: OKCSubmariner
Reference bump.
5 posted on 09/05/2002 3:48:00 PM PDT by Rocko
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"The case should be made by the White House to Congress and to the American people and to the world (UN, Europe,etc.) that the US has the right of self defense for the acts of war committed by Saddam and Iraq against Americans in the 9/11 attacks, the OKC bombing and the 1993 WTC attack."

If Iraq was, indeed, involved in any of these attacks, the strongest possible case should be made to the American people.

We here on Free Republic -- and, importantly, yourself -- have built a persuasive body of circumstantial evidence for Iraqi involvement in each of these operations. Presumably, there are people within the administration who are even better informed...and have even more persuasive, if not conclusive, evidence of Iraqi involvement.

In my opinion, the only reason the administration is not forthcoming about this evidence at the present moment is that we are not yet ready to respond to the provocations.

However, the pace of preparation for an attack, along with the pace of disclosure (and promises of disclosure), has noticeably quickened in the past few weeks.

I suspect that, by the time the attack officially begins, we will know everything (or most everything). And just as Saddam has been at war with the US for years, without us being aware of it, I believe we are already at war with him -- unofficially, without the Democrats (or the media) knowing it.

6 posted on 09/05/2002 3:48:03 PM PDT by okie01
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I understand they may have bought some 7-11 stores, too.

You do realize " 7-11 " and " 9-11 " are only 2 digits off , don't you ???

I mean, c'mon here ! How much MORE proof do we need ?

7 posted on 09/05/2002 4:14:02 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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The nay-sayers and liberal media "talking heads" are screaming, "Why should we go to war with Iraq?" "What is the justification for taking preemptive action?" "We must not upset the apple cart in the Middle East" The answer to all of these questions is simple: History teaches us we must take action before tens, hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans die as a direct result of our inaction.

Lesson from history: a little over a month ago I stood in a mass graveyard outside the city of St. Petersburg, Russia. I purposely went there as a visceral, visual reminder of what happens when people, leaders and nations of the world try to appease/make peace with madmen bent on world conquest and domination. This site contains over 186 mass graves. I know because I took the time to count each of them and to solemnly ponder their contents. THERE ARE OVER 490,000 PEOPLE BURIED THERE! People just like you and I, people who once lived, breathed, love and dreamed of bright futures for themselves and their children. Over 900, 000 people died in the city of St. Petersburg alone (200, 000 just in Jan-Feb 1942) and MOST of them were women and children. All of this happened because the leaders of the world, including Stalin, sought to appease a little madman by the name of Adolph Hitler.

A week later I went to London and visited the Imperial War Museum. There, encased in glass I saw the actual Munich pact letter signed by Hitler and Chamberlain in which Hitler "promised" in writing to end his aggression... promises always look good in writing. Europe believed his hollow promises, they tried to "contain" and "appease" Hitler, the exact same advice they are giving us today regarding Saddam... the result; HE ATTACKED THEM ANYWAY AND 80 MILLION PEOPLE DIED IN THE PROCESS... people like you and me, people like your children, your husbands, your wives, your grandparents.

Like Hitler, Saddam has given his word and made promises for the sole purpose of keeping us from stopping his WMD programs and his ultimate aims for aggression. The World needs to be reminded that to date HE HAS KEPT NONE OF THEM. History teaches us this lesson; if we do not deal with and stop Saddam now, the cost will be far, far greater to accomplish this in the future. So

"Why act now?" Because this is the reality of our current situation; Muslim fundamentalists all over the world have declared jihad on America. They want us (civilians, men, women and children) DEAD and are actively plotting to kill, enslave and destroy us. All of this is taking place at the same time Saddam continues to produce weapons grade Anthrax, VX gas, and hastily works on developing nukes and these other "goodies" to give to toady Muslim terrorists to use against America. A report out this week details the "worst case scenario" 3 MILLION DEAD due to the release of 250 pounds of weapons grade Anthrax in either LA or San Francisco

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3995198.htm

America and it's leaders and people will either learn from history or repeat it. History provides us and our Allies with all the reasons and justification we need to preemptively go to war with Iraq and to rid the world of Saddam. The only other option the is to wait until he or one of his Muslim lackeys hits us and thousands or millions die.

The appeasers advise us to "wait," do nothing, to sit around, contain, appease and take Saddam at his word... until we are attacked, the problem is then it will be too late.

Our response must be that of G. BUSH sr.: 'Sorry, ... NOT GONNA DO IT... WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT!"

10 posted on 09/05/2002 4:28:25 PM PDT by Jmouse007
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Indeed, Iraq may well be only a start...

The interesting pedigree of the Iraqi / Abu Sayyaf cell as described by Yossef Bodansky before anyone knew who he was...

Why is it that the East Bloc was almost immediately replaced by a new Axis of Evil, the Trans-Asian Axis? And why doesn't anyone want to talk about the 7/16/2001 treaty? Instead, empty platitudes about great powers being "united in the War on Terrorism." And yet, those great powers formerly hostile to the West, and as recently as mid 2001 issuing anti-American threats, conveniently said they were "allied" after the 9/11 attacks that they themselves underpinned with their support of terrorist proxies!

11 posted on 09/05/2002 4:38:18 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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"If the White House fails to do so out of trying to protect FBI and administration failures in the past, then the White House would be performing a great disservice to America ..."

True, probably, but I'll go to my standard rant -
Administrations do not rat out prior administrations.

If they are to make the case that OKC was an islamic attack and not the act of a couple of back country ex-military, probably right wing, militia wannabe/wackos; it will be attributed to some 'new and unexpected' piece of evidence and NOT because anyone came clean on the original cover up.

18 posted on 09/06/2002 5:29:00 AM PDT by norton
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Report: CIA Missed Chance to Nab Terrorist
NewsMax Wires
Monday, June 17, 2002
The Central Intelligence Agency passed up a prime opportunity in December to nab Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a shadowy al-Qaeda operative who may have masterminded the Sept. 11 attacks, France's Journal du Dimanche reported Sunday.
The CIA initially planned to capture Mohammed in his alleged hideout in the Beirut suburbs of Lebanon, the French newspaper said. The area was reportedly a stronghold for terrorists in close contact with the al-Qaeda network, notably the Hezbollah.

But the attack -- supposed to have been carried out by U.S. special forces, in coordination with former Lebanese informers and secret service agents -- was reportedly aborted for a number of reasons, including CIA fears of the risk and high cost of the operation.

Mohammed was described by Le Journal as a Kuwaiti, who helped plan and finance the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington. An earlier report in the Los Angeles Times suggested that he may have spent time in Germany -- although German officials reportedly said they have no evidence of such a stay.

He remains at large, possibly somewhere between Iran and Pakistan, the French newspaper reported.

Last fall, according to Le Journal, Mohammed was linked only with plans to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993, along with a 1994 plan to blow up a dozen airplanes.

Meanwhile, the U.S. government's reward for information about Mohammed last fall --$2 million -- has since soared to $25 million, the newspaper said.

According to Le Journal, the CIA had prepared Mohammed's capture to the last detail. Cars had been hired for the operation. The Syrian government, which has a major say in Lebanese affairs, had been warned.

But in December, high-level CIA officers vetoed the operation, for fear of too much "serious collateral damage" -- particularly, chances that innocent civilians could be killed.

The CIA reportedly fretted too that its Lebanese intermediaries -- who apparently asked for a $1.5 million downpayment for the operation -- were too greedy.

-United Press International

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/16/150822.shtml
25 posted on 09/09/2002 7:10:24 AM PDT by Plummz
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