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From the Citizens' Forum, a new political commentary website. Makes a good point
1 posted on 09/04/2002 1:47:26 PM PDT by profmike23
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To: profmike23
“We don’t know how much this war will cost.”

That is a rather weak argument. I will concede that. Before we go to war however I would like to know why we are doing so and right now I have serious doubts that we have been given even a sample of the real reasons.

Let's examine the reasons of this author:

Another argument made is that action against Iraq could “destabilize the Middle East.” When has the Middle East had any sort of stability? The only things stable about the Middle East are the denial of freedom to the citizens of these repressive regimes and the subordinate role of women. Are those worth defending?

Yes- apperently so and the United States of America did defend them- indirectly in the gulf war. Iraq is a secular state that tolerates the presence of other religions- notably a large Chirstian minority and even a smattering of Jews. It's women attend universities, can drive cars, hold jobs, and leave the house without being accompined by a male relative. On the other hand- our Saudi and Kuwaiti allies allow for no rights of women and not one house of worship for any other religion is even permitted to exist. It is a crime to bring the Bible into Saudi Arabia! This is not to say that Sadaam is not a brutal and repressive leader.

But as for repression- America is the chief sponsor and backer of the the House of Saud, of Kuwait, of Yemen, of the kleptocracy in Egypt, of the military dictatoship of Pakistan, and of Algeria, and a host of others in that region. We support those regimes because we fear the alternative- radical Islamic fundamentalist takeover of those governments. So how is Iraq different from those others? Is he any worse than the Turkish government that has slaughtered an estimated 40,000 kurds in ten years? How about Syria which killed 20'000 of it's own citizens in about a week 25 years ago? What about the Algerian government that is engaged in a brutal fight against extremeists in which both sides have pepetrated massacres of entire villages and which some observers say over 100,000 are dead? What about Sudan which has killed over a million Christian and Tribal religious worshippers in the south in the past 20 years? Since the US is the sponsor of and "allies" with regimes that are just as repressive if not more so that Iraq that argument falls on it's face and can't be taken seriously.

While they argue that Saddam has no connection to terrorism, they overlook the fact that he pays families of suicide bombers in Palestine $25,000.

Yes, he most certainly does. So does Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and even foundations of Arab Americans in the United States. What is the point of that? That becasue Sadaam gives money to the families of murderers that he is our enemy as well? What about the aid given directly to the people and groups who plan and operate these slaughters? That money comes from within the borders of our so called "allies". Another false argument.

And if I am not mistaken Abu Nidal was most likley murdered by Iraqi intelligence as he was an embarassment to the Regime and a risk. And Iraq is the only country hosting terrorists? What about Syria where Hama and Hezzbollah gurillas operate out of and stage attacks from daily? Pakistan aided and supported- hell - practically created the Taliban regime in Afghanistan! Sudan even hosted Osama for years.

No we don't need to solve the Isreali conflict or debate our war plans in open. Those arguments are absurd and put forth by people who would rather not point out the simply feable reasons this administration has floated for war with Iraq.

The last argument is the Weapons of Mass Destruction argument. Because Sadaam has WMD or might obtain them then we have a right to invade Iraq. Dubious and specious on both logical grounds and legal as well as tradition. Sadaam at best has chemical weapons and perhaps some anthrax right now. He has no mass delivery system and he knows that if such weapons were to be used against us either directly from him or though terrorist proxies his life would be over, his country invaded and taken over. And if anyone hear doubts that our "allies" don't have the exact same programs going on right now then I have a bridge to sell you.

So Iraq is not really any more repressive than the garden variety corrupt regime in that region and even less so in certain areas. He has even less to do with Islamic terrorism than do most of our "allies" and much less to do with 9/11 than even Saudi Arabia which still won't cooperate on the investigation into that dreadful day. And he ain't the only one with a WMD program in that region.

So I ask a question? What are the real reasons for this proposed war against Iraq since the ones we have been given so far are laughable?

2 posted on 09/04/2002 2:30:07 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: profmike23
Isn't this the surrender crowd?
16 posted on 09/04/2002 6:47:11 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: profmike23
Imagine the apoplectic fits these hippies scumbags who are now running the leftist media are going to go into when W makes it clear that Saddam is going down in spite of their best efforts.

The public is behind the President, and the traitorous rat jackass SOB's should have waited until after the 9/11 anniversary to announce that they would be standing in the way of the war on terrorism.

They are going to get their asses handed to them come election day.

24 posted on 09/04/2002 9:30:16 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: profmike23
[The media] have incorrectly labeled such action an “Attack on Iraq;” it is actually the liberation of innocent people from an evil dictator.

This needs to be explained loudly and clearly to the "Nuke Baghdad" crowd.

46 posted on 09/05/2002 7:41:40 AM PDT by inquest
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