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To: Arch-Conservative
Interesting post. As always someone has to disagree so I'll step up to the plate. Rush is becoming a parody of himself. He's boring and unimaginative, a far cry from his early days when he had passion and creativity. While he espouses to convince ordinary blue collar folks of the virtues of conservative thought, he more often than not, delivers it in country club style. In other words, I really don't give a rip who you played golf with Rush, and Tiger Woods I could care less about. Stick to policy talk and social issues and get back to keeping their feet to the fire as you once did. Then you might have my attention again.

Hannity so far, is merely Rush without the substance. I agree with your views on his choice of topics, and no offense to brothers and sisters in New York, but Hannity needs to expand his phone audience. I get tired of hearing what New Yorkers only think. I'll still give Hannity a chance as he's a newcomer, and as you pointed out he needs a lot more polish. But he has promise.

On Savage, I strongly disagree with you. I once had a conversation with a local conservative talk show host. In that conversation he stated that "Savage what what was wrong with the conservative movement". I immediately told him Savage was what was RIGHT about the conservative movement. The problem I see with most Republicans and a growing number of conservative talkers is the "take the high road" attitude. Not make waves. Not ruffle any feathers. Afraid to say what they really think and feel. Afraid to make a stand lest they jeopardize their political or broadcast careers for standing up for what they believe. Savage is a breath of fresh air. He states what every one of you (and I) is thinking, and if challenged isn't afraid to rub their faces right back in it. He talks about topics that most conservative talk show hosts, local or national are afraid to touch. They don't want to be non-PC for fear of not being "all-inclusive" in the ratings wars. Savage doesn't give a rip. Savage can be rude and crude I'll grant you. So what if his message isn't sugar coated? I like him. He's got stones and even he can get ME irate at times, but I will always admire him. He's not an apologist. You gotta hand it to a guy that can have the number one rated talk show in a city like San Fransisco. That is doing the impossible my friend.

Now, does that make me an "angry white male"? Probably. I'll fess up to it. I'm sick and tired of watching my country erode and go down the drain. Republicans today are what the Democrats of my fathers era used to be. The Republican party lost it's backbone and fails miserably today to make changes in society or government. President Reagan was the last true example of a good Republican. The Republican party and it's "high road" attitude of today have lost battle after battle for society and the nation. They sit quitely by with their country club views and PC politeness, while the war rages on around them. As much as I despise modern day Democrats, I have to hand it to them. They know how to fight. And until the Repub's learn to fight back, with the same tenacity and cunning the enemy does, they are a hopeless cause. Being polite is one thing. Being polite and naive (or bordering on plain gutless) just to save your own hide is another. Independent conservatives are far more successful at stumping and fighting for their causes. Savage is an alternate independent conservative voice.

61 posted on 08/29/2002 6:41:29 PM PDT by ProudEagle
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To: ProudEagle
Now, does that make me an "angry white male"?

But how will this make us look? What will the others think. barf. I'm with you. If you aren't angry something is wrong with you in my opinion.

96 posted on 08/29/2002 7:31:34 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ProudEagle
Excellent description of Savage. In my opinion, being motivated by fear is taking the low road. The high road is taking the risk of standing up for what you know is right no matter if it is unpopular and speaking the truth, no matter who doesn't want to hear it. We do still have the freedom to turn the radio off and no one is compelled to listen to him if they choose not to. Given his ratings, I'd say a lot more Americans are listening than are admitting it.
98 posted on 08/29/2002 7:32:05 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: ProudEagle
I like to say that when you're in a streetfight, you don't fight by Roberts Rules of Order. You bash a garbage can over your opponent's head, you grind a broken bottle into his face, and then "continue to kick and stomp until victim is subdued."

;-)
103 posted on 08/29/2002 7:41:08 PM PDT by agitator
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To: ProudEagle
I disagree that Rush has become a parody of himself. If anything, he has become more tame in his later years. He seems to concentrate more on substantive conversation, and less on parody. In his early years, he was known for gags such as the hilarious "caller abortion", and the "disgronificatior" fiasco. He had more parodies, and talked more about his weekends in early years.

Now on to Savage -- the problem is, the "take the high road" is what makes conservatism great. Conservatism is all about the "high road". Conservatism carries with it an inherent rational respectibility - but Savage doesn't.

Now, this does not mean not to "make waves" - merely espousing conservatism will inherently create controversy. This is the problem with some in the Republican Party - they take liberal position to avoid making waves. True conservatives, like Limbaugh, espouse conservatism whether it makes waves or not. Savage, on the other hand, seems to make waves just for the sake of making waves. He doesn't seem to espouse conservatism - he seems to espouse "making waves". If any conservative host is a parody, it is Savage. His shows are a three hour tirade, and he simply presents a horrible image for conservatism.

Don't shy away from an opinion to avoid controversy - but don't take disingenuous positions just to create controversy either. Savage has the opposite problem of the weak Republicans - but it is still a problem.

Ciao,
A.D. Elrod
144 posted on 08/29/2002 9:46:14 PM PDT by Arch-Conservative
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