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Minnesota City to Tax Rainwater
The Winona Daily News ^
| August 22, 2002
| Jerome Christenson
Posted on 08/27/2002 11:48:09 AM PDT by lainie
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We'll put meters on their runoff, and tax the pollutants. And pass the buck, blaming the fedgov. Yeah.
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posted on
08/27/2002 11:48:09 AM PDT
by
lainie
To: madfly; farmfriend; AAABEST
ping!
To: lainie
This sounds a lot like the "surface water management" system "fees" with which Seattle-area properties are being bilked.
My church had been paying about $400/year despite all the runoff-management devices, cisterns etc. installed. Then the city took part of the property to widen the road, and now the bill is over $1000/year.
There's lots of money for the government to make here, and the residents of Winona better not get too conmfortable with these low rates.
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posted on
08/27/2002 11:55:25 AM PDT
by
Eala
To: Eala
taxing God's life giving rainwater
what is hell is going on and why
would ANYONE put up with it ?
To: lainie
I remember back when I thought the Brits were suckers
because the government required the purchase of a license
to watch television.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:13:36 PM PDT
by
The Duke
TAXMAN (G. Harrison) Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:21:40 PM PDT
by
freeeee
To: lainie
This is being applied to cities of 50,000 or larger per the 1972 Clean Water Act. The issue concerns "impervious" surfaces such as parking lots and building roofs. All runoff must be captured and treated to prevent pollutants from being carried into rivers and aquifers. Pocatello proposed "fees" on small businesses that ranged from $15,000 to $95,000 per year. The businesses told the city they would be shutting down if this is imposed. Back to the drawing board for the politicians.
The term "fee" generally applies to money collected for services requested by a user who has the discretion to avoid the "fee" by not using the service. These "fees" are imposed upon property owners in an involuntary fashion. They are essentially property taxes, but taxes can't be levied without direct authorization from the voters.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:33:42 PM PDT
by
Myrddin
To: lainie
Hey, if you don't like it, dig a retention pond on your property and don't let the rainwater run off.
That in fact is pretty common out here in the Chicago area. Commercial properties, and residential developments, all must be designed so that no more water runs off of them after development than before. Chicago is mostly on a flood plain, and prior to such laws the paving and re-landscaping that's performed during such development used to cause land that had previously retained rainwater to cause it to run off instead, flooding out the neighbors. So in the interests of flood control, you now must ensure that your property retains as much rainwater after a rain as it did before it was developed.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:36:25 PM PDT
by
RonF
To: lainie
RE:Councilman Dieter Mielimonka said when the charge is billed there should be a note added to every bill - "This charge due to a federal mandate."
What a copout.
these ridiculous federal mandates may be ignored RE: the 10th ammendment if local Pols (and the public - most especially the public) had the cajones to do so.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:43:16 PM PDT
by
tomakaze
To: RonF
MMMM, retention ponds...skeeters just LOVE retention ponds!
To: lainie
I wonder who will be the first public official to be literally tarred and feathered over this.
It's a fine American tradition that has been dormant far too long.
To: cactusSharp
It's not nice to fool around with mother nature.
I hope the sheeple decide to drown these frickin idiots out of office.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:49:02 PM PDT
by
unixfox
To: Willie Green
Roger that!
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:50:44 PM PDT
by
3k9pm
To: RonF
Hey, if you don't like it, dig a retention pond on your property and don't let the rainwater run off. We had a cop out here in Sacremento try to enlarge the "fishing pond" nearby and hit a water main flooding the area and causing a loss of water pressure to the whole area.
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posted on
08/27/2002 12:50:49 PM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: lainie
This is a good "line in the sand" ....
To: lainie
The impact of non-point regs on agribusiness will be more significant than impact on residential.
To: RonF
Hey, if you don't like it, dig a retention pond on your property and don't let the rainwater run off. Then it becomes a standing pool and is subject to EPA regulations concerning endangered species. Didn't a man almost lose his farm because a puddle dried up and some frogs lost their home?
-PJ
To: lainie
the Winona City Council will charge city property owners for the rain that falls on their land. Knowing Winona, I expect most people to put the rainwater in their pocket and walk out of the store without paying the damn tax.
To: KLT; Mudboy Slim; sultan88; scholar; joanie-f
Now
this calls for a *song*!!
__________________________________________
TAXMAN
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, ninetenn for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me
-g.harrison-
________________________________________
Almost forgot about you, joanie girl.
...which would've totally missed the point, eh? :o)
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posted on
08/27/2002 1:05:56 PM PDT
by
Landru
To: lainie
In 1992 meters were installed in the discharge pipes at the West Los Angeles V.A. hospital along with sampling equipment.
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