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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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KEYWORDS: autopsyreport; chiefnegotiator; freepermurder; investigation; rip; taxreform; usmc
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To: MistyCA
"There is no excuse, imo, for the p1ss poor job that was done on this case. :)))))"

If there were any way possible for me to agree more, I'd do it!!
This whole thing stinks to high heaven!
The coroner's notes say that the investigators "smelled gasoline".
That's ALL!
Sheeeeesh!

61 posted on 08/25/2002 6:39:20 PM PDT by COB1
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To: lewislynn
That would be my guess. Or, an outlet with aluminum parts being used with copper wiring. See my post 54 for our experience....
62 posted on 08/25/2002 6:40:39 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: carenot; COB1
Thanks for the ping, care. This is all still so sad and frustrating. Has anyone heard how Mrs. Chief is doing?

Thanks for this info, COB1.
63 posted on 08/25/2002 6:42:03 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: COB1
Hi COB,
I haven't seen you in awhile. I'm glad they finally got the report out, but wish they had been able to determine the cause of the fire. I still pray for all involved.

BUMP
64 posted on 08/25/2002 6:42:44 PM PDT by Helix
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To: Rebelbase; ~Kim4VRWC's~
I wish I could tell you that the neighbor is locked up, but I don't really know.
He was supposed to have a court hearing about two months ago for beating his elderly landlord nearly to death, but I haven't heard how that came out.
65 posted on 08/25/2002 6:43:07 PM PDT by COB1
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To: sailor4321
The house appears to be of that vintage.

I hope this was nothing more than a terrible accident. I can't believe anyone would truly want to murder my friend. I also don't understand why he didn't escape. He was no fool.

66 posted on 08/25/2002 6:43:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: COB1
It says they smelled gas, not gasoline.
67 posted on 08/25/2002 6:44:00 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: IronJack
Well, people can spontaneously burst into flames (very rare though), but this is definitely not one of those cases since the entire room was burned and not just a small area.

I hope his murderer is discovered.
68 posted on 08/25/2002 6:44:53 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: bonfire
"Has anyone heard how Mrs. Chief is doing? "

Mrs. Chief is not doing well at all.
She has a broken shoulder and she's in ill health.

AlwaysWatching, if you're lurking, you might fill us in.

69 posted on 08/25/2002 6:46:07 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"

Does it say gasoline or gas. Big difference. I've made many fires where a natural gas leak had caused an quick hot initial fire. Alot of older houses have gas wall heaters and the valves leak.

The crashing sound could have been the window glass shattering as the heat in the room went past tolerances. It happens often.

70 posted on 08/25/2002 6:46:44 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: sailor4321
"It says they smelled gas, not gasoline."

You're absoutely right, sailor.
I got that from another conversation and I can't authenticate it.

71 posted on 08/25/2002 6:48:34 PM PDT by COB1
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To: sailor4321
Even if the house is older than the aluminum period, it's possible it was remodeled or added on to in that time frame...

Aluminum wiring in your home, as you pointed out, is a real potential killer. BTW, there would likely never have been any warnings or disclosures at the sale of this house. I believe the house has always been in the family.

72 posted on 08/25/2002 6:48:52 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: COB1
The coroner's report that I have says that the fire started in the kitchen! LMAO! I called him on it and all he could do was stammer and sputter and say he would possibly have to change it. However, the copy of the report I got was not changed. The guy screwed up, imo.
73 posted on 08/25/2002 6:48:52 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MissAmericanPie
Swelling and discoloration are consistent with burns... the head can end up bigger than a basketball.
74 posted on 08/25/2002 6:49:28 PM PDT by piasa
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To: sailor4321
They were referring to gasoline.
75 posted on 08/25/2002 6:50:21 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: COB1; Rebelbase
"He was supposed to have a court hearing about two months ago for beating his elderly landlord nearly to death"

?Oh my Gosh, Lord please bring forth justice for the Chief! This sounds like the idea about the neighbor might just be true..

76 posted on 08/25/2002 6:51:24 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: COB1
There is marked singeing with reddish discoloration of the hair...
What the hell would/could cause the discoloration?
Sorry, just thinking out loud, as it were.
77 posted on 08/25/2002 6:51:29 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: SarahW; COB1
The breakers could have tripped due to heat from the fire melting the insulation causing the wires to short out.
78 posted on 08/25/2002 6:52:23 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: philman_36
"Did the autopsy report burns to the hands or arms? Were there any burns even noted in the autopsy and if so what degree?"

Phil, the autopsy report is replete with descriptions of skin "sloughing" and "dermis showing".
Herb was burned badly all over with second and third degree burns, including his hands and arms.

79 posted on 08/25/2002 6:52:41 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Victoria Delsoul; COB1
Thanks for the report, Cob. I still have a hard time believing that his death was accidental.
Because it was not. And the if the FIRE was not accidental, how could the death be? This smells reeks! I am so sorry for Mrs. CN.
80 posted on 08/25/2002 6:54:18 PM PDT by Libertina
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