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Owners Slam Players' New Proposals
wire.ap.org ^ | 8/24/02 | Ronald Blum

Posted on 08/24/2002 5:38:20 PM PDT by GeneD

NEW YORK (AP) — Baseball players made new proposals Saturday on the key issues of revenue sharing and a luxury tax, and owners immediately slammed them as moves backward.

``We could not have been more disappointed in the proposal we received,'' said Rob Manfred, the owners' chief labor lawyer. ``This is raw regressive bargaining.''

Six days before the union's Aug. 30 strike deadline, the sides appear to be on a collision course for baseball's ninth work stoppage since 1972.

There was no immediate response from the union.

Manfred accused players of backtracking on increased revenue sharing. The union proposed Saturday that revenue sharing should be phased in. In 2006, the final year of the proposed deal, the sides are relatively close. Owners have proposed transferring $268 million, using 2001 revenue figures for analysis, and the union moved to $240 million, a $5 million increase

The union also moved $5 million toward the owners on the luxury tax, designed to slow spending by high-payroll teams, but Manfred said that was far short of what owners want because it would affect only two teams next year.

``If they had made any sort of move that was in our direction we would have made a countermove already. The thing we're dealing with is how to respond to a move that went the wrong way,'' Manfred said.

He called the proposal ``so out of the realm of expectation that it's going to take us a little time.''

Manfred chided union head Donald Fehr for giving a ``20-minute monologue'' before the proposal on ``Don's view of the world.''

``It was a recitation of his view of how the negotiations had gone,'' Manfred said.

On Friday, when asked what was needed to spark talks on the key issues, Fehr said ``Rob knows what he has to do.''

``My answer to that is apparently Don doesn't know what he needs to do,'' Manfred said.

Players said they thought their plan would move talks forward.

``We never expected them to accept it, but at least it's a move, and it's a significant move,'' Arizona's Mark Grace said.

``Any kind of dialogue and any kind of movement is good. They moved a few days ago, and we moved today, so the gap was narrowed. If we continue to do this, pretty soon the gap will be small enough that we can avoid a work stoppage.''

At Yankee Stadium, Texas shortstop Alex Rodriguez backtracked from his comments Friday that he would give back 30 to 40 percent of his pay if it would improve the sport.

``I'm willing to do my part. Thirty to 40 percent? Probably not. I was speaking off the cuff,'' he said.

``What I wanted to say is I love the game of baseball and would do anything to help it. Obviously, that was a very drastic statement. I wouldn't take it literally.''

Rodriguez said he had not heard from Texas owner Tom Hicks, who signed him to the record $252 million, 10-year deal in December 2000.

``I don't think Tom Hicks has my cell phone,'' Rodriguez said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alexrodriguez; baseball; donaldfehr; robmanfred

1 posted on 08/24/2002 5:38:20 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
Why wait? Strike now!
2 posted on 08/24/2002 5:48:16 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Really. It'll be the end of Major-League Baseball. And good riddace to bad rubbish!!!
3 posted on 08/24/2002 5:56:36 PM PDT by Salgak
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To: BluesDuke
head's up
4 posted on 08/24/2002 6:13:53 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: GeneD
The owners and players are like Iran and Iraq. Somehow, you wish that there was a way they could both lose.
5 posted on 08/24/2002 6:23:52 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: GeneD
What amuses me is that baseball and TV continue to advertise as though there will be no strike. Quick! Reserve your Atlanta Braves playoff tickets now! Buy those tickets for September games! Watch the playoffs on FOX!

Anyone buying tickets now that are for games beyond August 29th would have to be looney. There are a lot of looney people.

6 posted on 08/24/2002 6:28:14 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: Salgak
Really. It'll be the end of Major-League Baseball. And good riddace to bad rubbish!!!

Both the owners and players are betting that while fans may say this now, they'll be back once the strike is settled.

Personally, I agree with you. I've about had it with the arrogance of BOTH sides in MLB, and I can guarantee that if there is a strike I'm gone for good.

7 posted on 08/24/2002 9:01:52 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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To: GeneD
tell the players their stats for the year won't count if the season ends early. Why not? It's like a 4- inning game.
8 posted on 08/24/2002 9:21:40 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Good one- then Barry could break 600 again. LOL

Baseball is dying. Bloated salaries are being paid for through higher ticket and vending prices.

Fan's Strike NOW!

9 posted on 08/24/2002 9:47:25 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: GeneD
Stupid prima donnas. If baseball strikes they will have cooked the golden goose. Too rich arrogant owners, silly overpaid head up their butts players. Most of these players couldn't do real jobs much less make liveable wages and still they are going to strike? Hell with them both and thier attitudes.
You see these little leaguers playing for the love of the game, not making a cent. While the majors players deserve to make a living they have such inflated egos. I live in Port St. Lucie, Fl. Spring time home of the N.Y. Mets. They treat fans like garbbage for the most part when the bigs are here. Always making more demands and no time for fans. Usually when they come here it's a running joke, How long till a big leaguer is arrested. Usually in the course of a spring there are many arrested for drunk driving, sexual abuse, and or many other violations. Symptomatic of the attitude of greatness.
F-um if they strike I'll just go fishing more and miss them not at all.
10 posted on 08/25/2002 2:57:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Baseball is dying. Bloated salaries are being paid for through higher ticket and vending prices.

I agree with you. But tickets are even more bloated for football, right? And yet the parks there are filled every Sunday.

foreverfree (a two time attendee of Ravens' games, and who went to a few Eagles games when I lived in Philly)

11 posted on 08/25/2002 5:55:20 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: GeneD
Do any baseball teams play in stadiums that were built with taxpayers' money?
12 posted on 08/25/2002 6:06:59 AM PDT by scouse
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To: scouse
Most of them, I would bet

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
13 posted on 08/25/2002 6:32:55 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: scouse
I think the Cardinals and Cubs might, but I think the Cardinals were asking for a new taxpayer-built stadium. There're probably others, but not many.
14 posted on 08/25/2002 8:26:35 AM PDT by perez24
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To: foreverfree
But football is different- every game is crucial when you play 16 games a season, there's almost always a playoff type atmosphere. And with parity in the NFL, every team has a shot at the Super Bowl... well, almost anyone- someone get John Fox a glass of water and elevate his feet.

Take a family of four to a baseball game and you spend $145 minimum for a game that relatively means nothing in the midst of a 162 game season.

Baseball needs to change the game- make the season shorter, raise the mound, make the All-Star game mean something like giving the home field advantage of the Series to the winning league.... Something...!

15 posted on 08/25/2002 11:40:28 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Why wait? Strike NOW!
16 posted on 08/25/2002 11:41:46 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: scouse
"Do any baseball teams play in stadiums that were built with taxpayers' money?"

SkyDome was built with a provincial grant, but was sold to the private sector for 1/5th the cost of construction after the non-profit corporation set up to run it went bust. It was saddled with heavy debt due to budget over-runs caused by the addition of a hotel (which does have cool field view rooms) and round-the-clock construction to open on time. Someone I know who worked on it told me his salary more than doubled because of all of the overtime. If I recall correctly, the sale price didn't even cover the stadium corp. debt and the taxpayer got stuck with that too.

Olympic Stadium was built for the 1976 Olympics, and I think Quebec just finished paying off the debt caused by those games. (It should be noted that included in the cost of those Olympics was the Montreal metro (subway) system. Olympic rules have since changed so that only the construction of developments directly involving the Olympics can be included the budget.) They added a roof in the early '90s (long overdue as the weather isn't always ideal) which was supposed to retract but didn't work. I think it is owned by the Province of Quebec, but www.ballparks.com isn't working so I can't verify it. (I hope they didn't take their site down. It is the BEST place to check out ballparks, past and present, and they have stadiums and arenas too.)

A baseball strike would be irrelevant to Canada. Baseball died here with the last one when the Blue Jays were coming off 2 world series and the Expos were leading the league. The fans (present company included) never came back. I'll watch on TV once in a while, but otherwise they're not getting a dime out of me. (Not entirely true because the Jays are now owned by my cable company, but they've got to be kidding if they think they'll get more than a handful of subscribers for pay-per-view.)

17 posted on 08/25/2002 1:30:44 PM PDT by badfreeper
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