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Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm Dies
Yahoo! News ^ | 23 August 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/24/2002 3:21:32 PM PDT by BluesDuke

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You read it right - one of baseball's signature relief pitchers, once upon a time a starter, was the last man to no-hit the mighty Yankees. To my knowledge, then-Oriole catcher Gus Triandos still holds the single-person passed balls record thanks to catching (or trying to catch) Wilhelm's butterfly pitch (remember when they called the knuckleballer the butterfly?)...

He was a remarkable pitcher. And, from what I've been told, a remarkable man, never shy about passing pitching tips on to the next generations. Au revoir, Kaiser Wilhelm!
1 posted on 08/24/2002 3:21:32 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: 2Trievers; Cagey; hobbes1; Dales; hole_n_one; Flashlight; CARDINALRULES; NYCVirago; nopardons; ...
*memorial bump*

61*. The line the Oriole manager gave him to start his pitching turn was a line actual Oriole manager Paul Richards did say to Wilhelm before he began his warmups on the mound: Throw him anything but a knuckleball and I'll fine you $500.
2 posted on 08/24/2002 3:25:10 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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*memorial bump*...and proper posting (bloody program!)

Note, too: It was Hoyt Wilhelm whom the Orioles brought in late in the game to stop Roger Maris from nailed home run number 60 in 1961's 154th game, the arbitrary and prejudicial "deadline" set by then-Commissioner Ford Frick for anyone to tie or break Ruthsrecord (yes, they spoke of it such that it could have been one word) "legitimately". Tom Candiotti, a fine knuckleballer of the 1980s and 1990s, portrayed Wilhelm for that sequence in Billy Crystal's film of the Maris-Mantle home run chase, 61*. The line the Oriole manager gave him to start his pitching turn was a line actual Oriole manager Paul Richards did say to Wilhelm before he began his warmups on the mound: Throw him anything but a knuckleball and I'll fine you $500.
3 posted on 08/24/2002 3:25:50 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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The first major league baseball game I ever attended was on August 10, 1963 at old Comiskey Park. Hoyt Wilhelm finished the game for the White Sox. (The Sox beat the Yankees, 2-1.)

It's already a sad year for baseball, losing first Ted Williams and now Hoyt Wilhelm. And the worst may be just ahead.

4 posted on 08/24/2002 3:29:47 PM PDT by Chairman Fred
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Thanks for the post. I was lucky enough to watch Wilhelm and his dancing knuckleball when he played at old Comiskey Park.

The mit the catcher used! It was HUGE!

5 posted on 08/24/2002 3:31:08 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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I remember him when I was a kid. It's amazing he pitched 20 years considering he did not go pro until his late 20s. My brother pitched semi-pro and he was a knuckleballer. One time we were just fooling around and he started throwing his knuckle ball. At first it was kind of neat, but then the balls starting breaking in any old direction a couple feet from my face, then that was it. I now know why, catchers of knuckleball pitchers use big gloves.

Bruce Kurtz
6 posted on 08/24/2002 3:35:21 PM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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as i have opined heretofore, you are uncommonly knowledgeable about music.

but, on sports, you are incoherent.

7 posted on 08/24/2002 3:35:39 PM PDT by johnboy
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Sad news. I forget who gave the advice on the best way to catch a knuckleball, "Wait 'til it stops rolling and pick it up".
8 posted on 08/24/2002 3:36:33 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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So Wilhelm pitched til he was nearly 50 - the knuckleball is an amazing pitch - puts no stress on the arm so the pitcher can give a lot of innings and pitch well into his 40s as a number of others have. I hadn't known about his war record. Sounds like a well lived life. RIP Mr. Wilhelm.
9 posted on 08/24/2002 3:37:57 PM PDT by WarrenC
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10 posted on 08/24/2002 3:39:03 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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I grew up thinking that guy was so cool. First I heard that he fought in the Battle of the Bulge, though.

Farewell, Hoyt.

11 posted on 08/24/2002 3:41:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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I'm not entirely certain, but I believe that big mitt - it was called the "pillow glove" - has since been banned.
12 posted on 08/24/2002 3:52:00 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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as i have opined heretofore, you are uncommonly knowledgeable about music.

but, on sports, you are incoherent.

Your evidence, please.
13 posted on 08/24/2002 3:52:40 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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So Wilhelm pitched til he was nearly 50...

And Jesse Orosco is threatening to... *grin*
14 posted on 08/24/2002 3:53:54 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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If I'm not mistaken, Warren Spahn was another Hall of Fame pitcher who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Not to mention Yogi Berra being on a Navy gunboat in the Mediterranean (this was before he had ever been brought up by the Yankees) and Lew Brissie, subsequently a courageous starter and reliever for the Philadelphia Athletics and the Cleveland Indians, having his leg nearly blown off in a ground battle (he was the only survivor of his platoon from that battle), then having it surgically rebuilt (he begged his doctors to save the leg because he had a pre-war promise from Connie Mack for a tryout) and braced so he could pitch. Those are just some of the World War II battle stories I know of involving baseball players (Ted Williams, of course, was mostly a flight instructor for World War II but flew up a storm in the Korean War)...
15 posted on 08/24/2002 3:56:46 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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It's already a sad year for baseball, losing first Ted Williams and now Hoyt Wilhelm. And the worst may be just ahead.

You forgot Enos Slaughter. And without wishing any ill on anyone, I wonder - from what I saw of him at the All-Star Game ceremonies - how much life Warren Spahn has left in him.
16 posted on 08/24/2002 3:57:54 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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I was able to see Hoyt many times at Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. He was a gem.
17 posted on 08/24/2002 4:03:50 PM PDT by jackbill
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Don't forget that we just lost Johnny Roseboro this week, too.
18 posted on 08/24/2002 4:04:13 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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I remember him when he pitched for the Cardinals. He was in a class by himself. Definitely belonged in the Hall of Fame. That ERA is almost unbelievable.
19 posted on 08/24/2002 4:09:52 PM PDT by RichardW
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When he mentioned Teddy Ballgame and Wilhelm I assumed he was alluding strictly to Hall of Famers. No slight intended against Roseboro, about whom, you may remember, I wrote a piece earlier in the week...John Roseboro, RIP: Forgiveness Incarnate
20 posted on 08/24/2002 4:11:09 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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