[happytobealive]

For those of you not familiar, Associate Pastor Doc Ortman on August 4 wrote an essay in the parish bulletin explaining why a partial birth abortion parishioner was deserving of Catholic support for governor (http://www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/59371/Aug-04-2002.pdf). Also, the candidate's husband was allowed to distribute campaign literature in the church vestibule.

This sparked Pro-Life protests adjacent to church grounds during masses. These witnesses for our unborn children will resume their stations this weekend.

The Pastor and Cardinal of Detroit have given their tacit approval by not doing or saying anything to correct the priest-heretic who serves them.

[07055]

7) Exercise your citizenship muscles . . . Get out and vote.

For the candidate who, although nominally a Catholic, is in favor of partial birth abortion?

Vote for her just because she is a member of this parish?

[happytobealive]

A Unborn ping to Saundra Duffy; Niagara; LiteKeeper; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Republic If You Can Keep It; Campion; Ragtime Cowgirl; DaGman; ex-snook; Ronaldus Magnus; omegatoo; Prov3456

[happytobealive]

UNBORN PING to Polycarp; Snuffington; jwalsh07; OrthodoxPresbyterian; leprechaun9; Romulus; WaterDragon; Politicalmom; Notwithstanding; Artist; glory; Kevin Curry; r9etb; allend; redhead

[Fast 1975]

Imagine the sickness of 10 ways to show your pro-abortion.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Looks like the leftists in charge of this schismatic parish are attempting to shame the members who dare oppose partial birth infanticide. They must be feeling pretty confident to escalate the situation this overtly. It's about time for some assenting parish members to call in the big guns and request a crackdown. Has anyone written to the man yet?

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
11 Palazzo di S. Uffizio
Vatican City, (Italy) 00193
Phone: 011.39.6.69.88.33.57; 011.39.6.69.88.34.13
Fax: 011.39.6.69.88.34.09

[Snuffington]

Items 1-9 are materialist. Odd that a Church established by Christ himself has forgotten that its primary mission is spiritual.

Oh yes... item 10 is spiritual. But comfortably vague. It advises us to pray.

What exactly are we to pray for Fr. Ortman, when our actions show us embracing and defending those who support killing the unborn; including those who demonstrate no desire for forgiveness or repentence? Should we pray for God to make us strong enough to overcome our cowardice? Pehaps to be blessed with the courage to go beyond condemning evil in the abstract and find the resolve to confront the actual evildoers? Especially when they are members of our own parish?

[happytobealive]

Fr. Doc Ortman's pro-abortion essay in the August 4 bulletin:

Many people have come to me in the two weeks just past to ask about television ads which point out that Ms. Granholm, our sister, is pro choice. The concern has come from a mistaken notion that being pro choice is equal to being pro abortion. However, choice is part of the very foundation of our Catholic Christian Community. There are some who would gloss over theological reflection for the sake of emotion; these people often end up persecuting other brothers and sisters through their ignorance. As disciples of the Lord Jesus we are required to pray for their good, and for their enlightenment.

The Lord God has created all people in absolute freedom. Every action we take, each word we utter, is a matter of choice. As Catholic Christians we understand that this Awesome freedom carries with it a grave responsibility. In the light of the teaching of Jesus we make choices according to a well formed conscience – a conscience which is founded in the gospel which proclaims the blessedness of all people in any circumstances.

Scripture tells us that when God was finished creating, everything was very good. The correct response to that good is a life which reverences and cares for all that God has made. This is our faith, and I know well that this is also Ms. Granholm's faith as a Roman Catholic Christian person.

To say that one is pro choice is, for the Christian community, an admission that we are created in freedom. This is a freedom that no state or government can grant or take away; it is a gift from the Creator. By the same understanding it is a grave error to assume that the ability to freely choose actions and words is sinful.

For the past several weeks we have been persecuted by people who are living with a misguided notion of the freedom in which we are created. These people, signs in hand, are not interested in the reverence of God's gift of life; they are concerned only with the threat of abortion. This is one small part of the reverence we are called to have for all that the Lord has Created. These people would have the state legislate the freedom that only God can give or take. The reverence of all life is a choice that we make according to our discipleship. It is a response to the love of God, in Jesus, which leads us to reverence the unborn, the challenged, the elderly , the sick, the brilliant, the talented, the humble, the simple, the peacemakers . . . you get the idea.

Those who regard Ms. Granholm as a "heretic" do not understand, nor do they wish to understand, that choice in itself is a blessed gift. As with many other things this blessing can be used for evil rather than for blessing.

Make no mistake, Christians are pro choice in the purest understanding of the term. We are free to choose between the Lord and the evil one. We are fee to choose the Lord's abundant and awesome love, and we are free to choose to deny it. The ability to choose is neither good nor evil. The choice made may be either. Many persecute because they choose not to hear or understand the depth of God's gift of freedom. The freedom to choose is a gift in which to revel. It is not a heavy burden. The Lord has given us direction, and has asked that we CHOOSE according to what he says and does.

To borrow from the gospel . . .

"Let those with ears to hear heed what they hear!"

Grace and peace,

Doc

Source: http://www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/59371/Aug-04-2002.pdf

[WaterDragon]

Good lists, very good!

[happytobealive]

These witnesses for our unborn children will resume their stations this weekend.

These friends of the littlest fry are also on duty at the 8 am weekday masses.

This info is courtesy of a fellow Freeper has been protesting with her family for the last couple of weeks.

[formercalifornian]

"a mistaken notion that being pro choice is equal to being pro abortion. "

Some things ought never be a choice. The deliberate, planned killing of an innocent human being is one. To say that you are not for something when you make it a legitimate choice is dishonest. Pro choice MUST be pro abortion. Can you think that parents should have a choice about child abuse but then say you are not pro-child abuse?

[Salvation]

7) Exercise your citizenship muscles . . . Get out and vote.

But not for Granholm!

[ex-snook]

Thanks for the ping-a-long.

I like Father's Pavone's idea. - If people saw an abortion they would not be for abortion. -

Maybe we need a 'ping type' list for TV stations so we could request this. TV shows everything else. Those guys who did the shock jock stuff at St Pat's should have shown an abortion.

Just imagine if people think what pedophiles do to children is horrible, they should see what abortionists do.

[leilani]

Ok. We get it. "Father" Ortman thinks it's wrong to pass judgement on people who believe in butchering defenseless little babies if it's convenient for their own purposes. Sadly, it's not at all a stretch that "Father" (chill) Ortman also believes that it's OK for adult men to satisfy their sexual impulses through the exploitation of defenseless little kids also. After all, it's all relative, if it feels good do it, there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong" & the worst sin in modern christianity is to be "judgemental". GAG. Has anybody run an FBI check on this freak?