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Bush's message to Oregon: His forest plan equals jobs
The Oregonian ^ | 23 August 2002 | Tom Detzel, Michelle Cole

Posted on 08/23/2002 8:05:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Bush's message to Oregon: His forest plan equals jobs

08/23/02, TOM DETZEL

"Times are tough, but let me tell you something -- so is America," he added.

Bush issued a stinging critique of the forest policies that led to this year's record fire season -- policies expected to cost taxpayers more than $1.5 billion for fire suppression. Nationwide, nearly 6 million acres, an area the size of New Hampshire, have burned.

He said red tape, regulations and "endless litigation" have become the tools for delaying worthwhile thinning projects. His plan would allow emergency thinning in the highest-risk areas while speeding up environmental assessments that cause delays.

Current policy "doesn't work" "The forest policy of our government is misguided policy -- it doesn't work," Bush said, speaking from a podium backed by bleachers filled with yellow-shirted firefighters. A made-to-order grove of potted trees and firs stood in the background. "We need to thin," he said. "We need to make our forests healthy by using some common sense."

As news of the Bush plan leaked out this week, environmentalists said it appeared the White House was trying to placate the timber industry, which has long complained about legal challenges and environmental rules that get in the way of logging.

Bush did not say which environmental rules might be suspended under an emergency declaration. But he cited legislation recently authored by Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., that exempted some timber harvests in his state from appeals.

Daschle, a potential challenger to Bush in 2004, has said that industry and environmental groups had agreed on the plan. But Bush seemed to relish bringing it up.

"My view is, if it's good enough for that part of South Dakota, it's good enough for Oregon," Bush said.

U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., joined the president on his visit to the burned area and sat behind the president as he spoke at the fairgrounds. He said he told Bush that the Daschle option, which applied to about 700 acres, should not be uniformly applied to millions of acres of Western forests.

Wyden said he would lead the fight against any attempt to "close the courtroom" door from citizen appeals.

"Clearly there are promising ideas here," he said. "But I've got to see specifics before I weigh in."

Environmentalists, gathered outside security gates at the fairgrounds, said it is the specifics that they fear.

"We're not hearing any detail, and that's what's worrying us," said Dominick DellaSala of the World Wildlife Fund's Klamath-Siskiyou office. "We fear they're working behind the scenes to gut provisions of environmental laws."

Smell of smoke greets president Bush landed in Medford aboard Air Force One about 13 minutes behind schedule at 10:08 a.m. Thursday and was greeted with the acrid smell of smoke that drifted into Medford from two smaller wildfires burning in Douglas County to the north.

Dressed in khakis, cowboy boots and an open-collared shirt, he bounded from the plane and immediately went to a half-hour briefing on the Biscuit fire -- the largest in Oregon history -- which was expected to be about two-thirds contained by the end of the day.

After the briefing, he took off in a 24-vehicle caravan to visit the site of the 2,800-acre Squire Peak fire near Jacksonville that had threatened hundreds of homes before being extinguished in late July.

The fire burned over an area that had previously been thinned, and forestry officials said it showed how thinning and removal of forest underbrush can cut the intensity of later fires and make it easier for firefighters to protect property nearby.

Joining Bush on the tour were Govs. John Kitzhaber of Oregon, Judy Martz of Montana and Jane Hull of Arizona. Also on the trip were Wyden, Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., and Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., whose congressional district includes Medford.

Kitzhaber offers criticism, praise Kitzhaber did not stay for Bush's speech. But the governor said he later told Bush during the forest tour that exempting forest health programs from environmental appeals as called for by the Daschle amendment could "repolarize" the debate over forests.

He also said it would be a "dramatic departure" from the 10-year forest fire management plan that Veneman and Norton signed with the Western Governor's Association this spring. That plan calls for spending $35 billion through 2011 on fire suppression, preparedness, community assistance and hazardous fuels removal.

"It's very clear in the agreement the administration signed (that) we're going to do something that meets environmental laws," Kitzhaber said, who with Idaho Gov. Dick Kempthorne negotiated for the governors on the fire plan.

"If the plan is to finance forest health by going in and taking trees for which there is no ecological justification, you re-create the polarization and the gridlock that's kept us from managing these forests responsibly in the past," Kitzhaber said.

At the same time, Kitzhaber praised Bush "for coming out here and elevating this debate to the presidential level. I think that's enormously important."

Smith said Bush's plan could easily incorporate a proposal by him and a dozen other senators to waive environmental rules and allow emergency thinning on about 23 million acres of federal lands at the highest risk of fires.

"Clearly we are not protecting forests with the status quo. It's all going up in smoke," Smith said. "Wise people understand that fuel loading helps neither fish nor fowl."

Bush also brought up the Northwest Forest Plan, a landmark 1994 agreement negotiated under the Clinton administration that called for annual harvest of 1 billion board feet of timber, a level that has never been achieved.

The president called it a "well thought out plan" that could create 100,000 jobs through "sustainable timber harvesting on a small portion of the forest."

An outline of his forest policy calls for "removing needless administrative obstacles and providing authority to allow timber projects to proceed without delay."

"Congress needs to pass the laws necessary to implement the plan," Bush said.

White House organizers salted the crowd at Thursday's rally with scores of firefighters. About 6,900 had worked on the Biscuit fire at its peak last week.

Allen Mitchell, a Bureau of Land Management fuels management specialist, got off the Biscuit fire lines Wednesday. Wearing a yellow firefighter's shirt, gray with smoke and sweat, Mitchell said he's spent 19 years fighting fires.

"Conditions get worse every year," Mitchell said. "You don't think they possibly can, but they do."

Tom Detzel: 503-221-8431; tomdetzel@news.oregonian.com Michelle Cole: 503-294-5143; michellecole@news.oregonian.com


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: ecoterrorism; firecrazyeconuts; fuelburninggreens; oregonrecession; oregonstillburning; ruralcleansing; sierraclub; stopecoterrorism; unhealthyforests; watermelongreens; watermelonjihadists; watermelons
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Economic and Green Fire/love reality has hit in Oregon.

The good people in SW Oregon in Medford heard the good news from President Bush.

The scumbag Watermelon Root Suckers who have never worked in a real job rioted in Portland, Oregon last night. They are no different than the al Qaeda terrorists. Their end goals are the same. The destruction of America as we know it.

The Watermelon Greens hate America/Americans, Capitalism and anyone who makes an honest living from our forests or around our forests. They hate the farmers and ranchers who feed America and most of the world. They would starve all of us if given the opportunity.

The forests are our forests, and this is the first step in a long way back from the Green Insanity that has resulted in millions of acres of trees being burnt to prevent a single tree from being logged.

We can't allow the criminally insane Watermelon Green Jihadists to destroy America any more. Time to say goodbye to them, remove them from power and to jail the violent ones and their leaders.

1 posted on 08/23/2002 8:05:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
The Sierra Club would rather let the forests burn than allow one board of lumber be sold "for a profit."
2 posted on 08/23/2002 8:10:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: AuntB; Archie Bunker on steroids; Granof8; justshe; wanderin; glock rocks; blackie; B Knotts; ...
I had a few minutes before we are off to Grand Parent today. So I started our daily Oregon is still burning thread.

Most of today and tomorrow will have Grampa Dave involved in family activities. So I will not be here to monitor and keep the thread going. It is up to the Oregon and people out of Oregon who care.

You people are great! We heard the message of Common Sense and Sanity, yesterday from our President.

Then later in Portland, we heard from the Insane Watermelons of Oregon who hate Americans and would destroy all of us for their trees that they burn up with their agendas.

The war is on. It is our turn to take it to them!

Have a great weekend, and if I don't get back on board, I will see you on Monday.
3 posted on 08/23/2002 8:12:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Bush Jr. needs to keep it up. Most folks will gladly take the jobs, and they know that the approach taken by the Left did NOT protect the forests. They need to keep that up. And the Dems are running from the Sierra Club.

The Green Party's gonna be getting more votes, and that is not a bad thing. If the Dems tack to the left, we move right in and gobble up most of the center.
4 posted on 08/23/2002 8:14:27 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Grampa Dave; Miss Marple; mtngrl@vrwc; rintense; kayak; kitkat; justshe; MJY1288; ThePythonicCow; ..
"My view is, if it's good enough for that part of South Dakota, it's good enough for Oregon," Bush said.

Zing!!!!

5 posted on 08/23/2002 8:14:43 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Grampa Dave
Gramps! Hurry back and as soon as I can get my son to review these pictures I'll make a post...this decrepit body is NOT my friend...I was stuck high in a bleacher...my hometown REALLY turned out for this fine President!
6 posted on 08/23/2002 8:15:48 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: madfly; WaterDragon; farmfriend; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach
To the great pingers for our side.

Our president took the lumber to the Watermelon Greens in Oregon and America yesterday.

Please use your pingers to spread the word. Our battle begins in full today.

I will be off the boards most of today and the weekend being Grampa Dave, Dad and husband. See you Monday!
7 posted on 08/23/2002 8:16:10 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AuntB
Looking forward to your post and the pictures.

We are proud that you were there yesterday when history was made for our side!
8 posted on 08/23/2002 8:17:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: JohnHuang2
John, we would appreciate your magic pinger to follow up with one of the best speeches that President Bush has delivered.

Our president took a two by four and used it very effectively on the Watermelon Green Jihadists who are responsible for the deadly and costly fires in Oregon and across our nation.

Our nation's economy needs a renewable wood harvest every year. The anti America/American Watermelons have blocked even the removal of dead trees from areas burnt due to their Burn America/Rural Cleansing Agendas.

If you can find a copy of his speech yesterday, it would be a great spring board for a John Huang Two Cents eye opener.

Thanks, John for all your help with this critical issue not just to Oregonians, but the rest of America.
9 posted on 08/23/2002 8:22:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm sorry I've not got it posted! I'm worn out...it took 2 1/2 hours to get OUT of the parking lot, fighting our way through the eco freaks...they are so very misguided, but I got my 2 cents worth in....actually several dollars worth and they all got something to read....asuming they CAN read.
I gotta run for now!
10 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:18 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: Grampa Dave
Stop with the logic and common sense, you're upsetting the 'greens'.
11 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:54 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend; Grampa Dave
I couldn't care any less than I do now about what the 'greens' think. If anything, force the Dems to pander to them and move left, then we move in and gobble up the center.
12 posted on 08/23/2002 8:30:47 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Grampa Dave
The war is on. It is our turn to take it to them!

Bump!

13 posted on 08/23/2002 8:42:09 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Grampa Dave; All
It is our turn to take it to them!
14 posted on 08/23/2002 8:44:07 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: All; EBUCK; madfly; blackie; AuntB; BOBTHENAILER; WaterDragon; B Knotts; justshe; wanderin; ...
Madfly has posted the Daily "Oregon is still burning! Thread.

I will become the babysitting Grampa Dave aka Papa, and UGH UGH to our grandson, Bam Bam very soon. Tomorrow will be the birthday party for our grandkids, dad, our oldest son.

So I will not be on the boards much today, tomorrow and Sunday. I asked Madfly to start these important threads re Oregon is still Burning. They are even more important after GW's great speech yesterday.

Free Republic is incredible. Thanks to MadFly thousands of miles away, the "Oregon is still burning threads" can continue.

It is time for us to take the two by four that GW used on the Insane Greens and start using the 2X4 on them, our selves.

We will have an announcement of an exciting opportunity of how we can take our message into the heart of Green Insanity country in Oregon and rub it in their faces with a little money from all of us, and some work from our Oregon Freepers.

More on that next week! We are all Oregonians during this critical situtation, and we need to step up when asked to help next week. More on this exciting way to take our message to Oregon and slam the Watermelons in their back yard, coming next week.

Thanks again Mad Fly for stepping up and doing it!
15 posted on 08/23/2002 8:46:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AAABEST
Please keep posting this link on our Oregon/Kali/? still burning links.

I will be joining next week.

Take it to the Greens who will destroy America if not stopped!
16 posted on 08/23/2002 8:49:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I'll be looking for madfly's pings and bumping these threads gramps. Enjoy your family time.
17 posted on 08/23/2002 8:53:25 AM PDT by AAABEST
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Ooops, I forgot the link to Madfly's thread this morning re "Oregon is still burning": (link)
18 posted on 08/23/2002 8:54:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Last night's total acreage on the Biscuit fire was listed as 492,342. Burn out operations continue on the Chetco, Wildhorse, Raspberry Mountain and Fairview Mountain. The 700 regular Army troops will not be assisting. August 31 is the projected containment date.
19 posted on 08/23/2002 8:57:37 AM PDT by Granof8
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Thanks for the feedback, you have been great as our coastal reporter on the site during this massive fire.

Folks, I'm getting that look from my trophy wife of 41 years. So I'm out of here.

Please keep this thread going. We need to get the word of GW's speech yesterday out to the rest of Free Republic.

We need to take GW's 2X4 he used on the Watermelons yesterday and start using in on the Watermelons who want to destroy our American way of life. They want to turn our world in blackened and burnt trees with ashes as our legacy to our children and grand children. Time to stop their insanity and love of fire and hatred of Americans living around their fires and potential fires!
20 posted on 08/23/2002 9:11:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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