Posted on 08/21/2002 6:39:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:42:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Before you post again, get evidence. Take my little test.
You seem to be missing the point, though. It isn't a "race" thing as you and jody want to make it. I'm making a cultural point: Americans ("white," "middle and upper class minorities of all sorts") view many of the jobs that were once considered good careers as "scut work." This is validated in poll after poll, in business school survey after business school survey. When I say Americans ("whites") WON'T do these jobs, I mean that culturally these jobs have been viewed in the last 30 years as "undesirable" and not profitable---even when, as with some doormen in NYC and baggage check guys at the airports---they pay VERY well. SERVICE, as a concept (leaving aside insurance, banking, and accounting-type "services") is now viewed with disdain.
Employers---and, please, talk to any---know that even paying $10-20 an hour often will not get educated, motivated, skilled people in what are considered "degrading jobs." I once had an ARIZONA milionaire, who made his fortune in garbage collection, tell me how hard it was to get employees, even though he paid very well and "there is a lot of money in sh*t."
It is under these conditions that most Americans---and I venture to say a large majority of whites---refuse to do these jobs except as a total last resort, and it is why illegals fill them in overwhelming numbers. Have you not heard spokesmen for the restaurant industry in the West say that if not for illegals, they would ALL be broke? I have.
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What the hell does a managed decrease in the population of China have to do with the documented gain in Mexico?
They've mailed out a questionnaire that doesn't even ask what Republican voters think about immigration.
Well I guess they believe they can claim that passing an amnesty for illegal aliens, allowing out of control, massive, legal immigration and leaving our borders wide open isn't against the will of their constituents, if they don't make themselves officially aware of the will of their constituents.
Bush and the Republican Party are committing political suicide.
If you receive a package of grape Kool-Aide in the mail, from the Republican Party, forward it on to Capitol Hill.
Washington D.C. = 'Jone's town II'! ;^)
Al Gore thanks you for your vote. You did say anybody.
Brownie how come you seem to print hysterical rants, after a person on your side is thoroughly defeated.(Luis vs. RLK earlier in this subset of replies)
Oh that's right gotta get that red meat out there to dull the stinging pain.
The idea of victory is judged by some as the ability to form a complete sentence no matter how deliberate an attempt at obfuscation it is.
We know it's the low wages and not the manual labor. Everybody does.
Competition for menial jobs from illegal immigrants, that will take any job they can get, for less than what an American is willing to work for, in neighborhoods that only the desperate will enter, is the problem.
Somebody said Americans won't work as skycaps. That's a crock. Try and get a $200,000 a year skycap job (What investigative reporters in Chicago have surmised.) at O'Hare International Airport without huge political connections or major payoffs.
There are former airline pilots and I believe airport managers working those jobs.
One job I had, while I was in college, was as a banquet bartender at a major hotel. It was great. The banquet manager was flexible. We could always work out scheduling conflicts. The full-timers were cool.
Then, that manager simply vanishes one day. No explanation, nothing. An Iranian immigrant is in his place and the shedule becomes chiseled in stone. If you don't like it, there's the door.
The new banquet manager knew we weren't going to drop out of college to keep the job. It was either that or leave.
Everyone that left was replaced by a Middle-Easterner. Every single one.
That's how some of these decent paying jobs become jobs that Americans just won't do anymore.
Go apply for the doorman's job at a major hotel. Anyone that says you can get that job just by walking in off the street is crazy. You have to be willing to do other hotel jobs for squat and hope to live long enough for one of those doormen to die and a whole succession of others, that are in line for that job ahead of you, to follow him to the grave.
Almost nobody retires from that job. They work it until they literally die, the money's so good. Unless the hotel ownership changes and scheduling conflicts suddenly arise in every department. ;^)
There's been threads about the threats, intimidation, vandalism and violence against employees at Tyson chicken plants. The Americans that left their jobs under duress were replaced by, aw go on and guess.
These guys, you're arguing with, know these things better than you do. They know the score out there, but they'll try and get your goat just the same.
My advice is to move on to another thread. The only ones paying any attention to this thread anymore are you and the agitators.
They're like unruly dumb high school kids baiting the teachers. The problem is, there are so many of them and they are ultimately responsible for putting people such as the Clintons in office and destroying this nation.
When you said, "It was all cosmetics and image.. and next to no action," that's exactly right. Plus one phone call to MLK from Kennedy while King was in jail.
Pure symbolism over substance.
As I go down this thread, I had a thought in mind that proved to be true. I had thought that if a thread were created that said Bush's popularity and approval numbers go up from a minority element, folks here would squawk loudly.
I was right.
It appears that since some here believe that blacks and Hispanics can in no way support a Pub without some negative overall "cost" to the nation. It also appears that some here would want to ensure that the Right remains all white.
That, too, is the truth. But I have news for such people: IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
I didn't say anybody - I said someone. There's a difference ya know.
Where have you been old hoss? I haven't had the pleasure of chatting with you in a long time. Have you completed your liberal 12 step program yet? I guess not judging from your post.
Hang in there ol' son - it get easier once you get past the 6th step.
Why waste good Kool-Aide by forwarding it to Capitol Hill. There is nobody up there that's got enough sense to mix it with water. Even if they figured out how to make it they couldn't pour it out of the pitcher unless the directions were written on the bottom of the pitcher.
I'll keep my Kool-Aide!!
That, too, is the truth. But I have news for such people: IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
I'll second that.
The appeal of conservatism has nothing to do with being Caucasian or anything else. Its appeal is that it seeks the truth and promotes individual freedom in the freest nation there ever has been.
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