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Rumors: Segway isn't really Ginger
ZDNet News ^ | August 19, 2002 | Graham Hayday

Posted on 08/19/2002 2:12:54 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

In the latest twist to the long-running Ginger saga, it's now being rumored that the two-wheeled device unveiled by inventor Dean Kamen last December isn't in fact the real deal.

According to a posting on the 'ginger-chat.com' site, the Segway Human Transporter (SHT for short) cannot be the same thing as the much-hyped mystery invention originally known as Ginger and IT.

The claim revolves around inconsistencies between the description of Ginger contained in publicity for a book written by journalist Steve Kemper and the actual scooter-like invention. There are also some alleged patent irregularities.

The book is yet to hit the shelves, but back in January 2001 Kemper let it be known that such figures as Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos believed the invention would radically change the way we live.

Then Segway was unveiled--and the world said: 'Is that it?'

Since then, ginger-chat site administrator 'Spliff' has examined Kemper's book proposal in some detail, and has taken a fine-tooth comb to the patents Kamen has registered, and found significant evidence to suggest Segway is not the thing which blew Bezos and Jobs away.

Kemper's book proposal seems to suggest that Kamen began work on Segway in 1995, but no serious development took place until 1998. And yet a patent for a similar device was filed in 1994.

As Spliff writes: "US patent number 5,701,965 shows an early variation of the Segway Human Transporter, similar to the one later found in the newer Segway scooter patents. THIS patent was filed on May 27, 1994. And my timeline shows that Kamen first conceived GINGER around December 1995."

Another posting on the ginger-chat site points out that the series of images of the machine on the official Segway.com site changed subtley in June this year. Originally, there was a bloke standing on the now-familiar two-wheeled scooter now, there is one image which appears to be the same bloke floating above the ground.

This has reignited all the original speculation that the invention is some kind of personal hovercraft.

The conspiracy theorists also claim Bob Metcalfe, founder of 3Com and someone not known for participating in hoaxes, also claims to have seen Ginger--and says it's not Segway.

Metcalfe told the New York Times earlier this year: "Some months ago when speculation was running high, I said that Kamen's IT was more important than the Internet, but not as important as cold fusion, had cold fusion worked out. The IT I was talking about, which I did not disclose, was NOT Segway. That's all I can say." (See www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/technology/circuits/20DIAR.html - registration re quired.)

However, this could still be more hot air. And the Ginger story has already contained more than enough of that.

So to conclude: there is no conclusion... but when/if there is one, we'll let you know.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
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Oh here we go again..............
1 posted on 08/19/2002 2:12:54 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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Hold on a second.....if they can show that the patents are different...
2 posted on 08/19/2002 2:19:45 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I have to say that Jobs and Bezos accolades meant little to me, but if the guy from 3Com says Segway ain't it, I tend to believe him.
3 posted on 08/19/2002 2:20:00 PM PDT by sharktrager
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SHT for short

That's by far the best name for it.

4 posted on 08/19/2002 2:20:12 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: Leroy S. Mort; dighton; Orual; aculeus
Allow me to translate: "We're about to begin another round of capital-raising, despite the fact that no one wants to buy our current product."
5 posted on 08/19/2002 2:20:17 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Dean Kamen, the Vince McMahon of inventors.

It be pretty amusing if it was a swerve.....

6 posted on 08/19/2002 2:21:35 PM PDT by Hellmouth
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Did anybody bother to ask Kamen? I'm sure he would confirm whether or not IT is Segway.
7 posted on 08/19/2002 2:23:09 PM PDT by B Knotts
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So, what isn't really Maryann?
8 posted on 08/19/2002 2:27:26 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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Another posting on the ginger-chat site points out that the series of images of the machine on the official Segway.com site changed subtley in June this year. Originally, there was a bloke standing on the now-familiar two-wheeled scooter now, there is one image which appears to be the same bloke floating above the ground.

Somebody is smoking some serious crack....... I have visited the site several times over the last few months and ahve never seen any "blokes" floating above the ground.....

9 posted on 08/19/2002 2:41:40 PM PDT by TheBattman
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Segway Human Transporter (SHT for short)

Is "SHT" pronounced the way it should be?

10 posted on 08/19/2002 2:41:45 PM PDT by hauerf
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So basically, you're saying that the Segwey is the Mary Ann, not the Ginger.
11 posted on 08/19/2002 2:47:18 PM PDT by Vladiator
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...Human Transporter...

YES!

12 posted on 08/19/2002 2:53:01 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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This still reminds me of the Homer Simpson dream where he's being honored for an invention but wakes up before he can find out what it is.
13 posted on 08/19/2002 2:54:19 PM PDT by JoeSchem
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Reminds me, I'm not quite sure why, of Fabian (Forte, 1950s synthesized rock star.) Oh, I know, all hype, no substance. (With apologies to all millions of Tiger Man fans!)
14 posted on 08/19/2002 2:58:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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Segway isn't really Ginger

Well, it's not Mary Ann, and it's not Gilligan...

Could it be... Tourist Guy???


15 posted on 08/19/2002 3:01:56 PM PDT by Willie Green
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"Segway Human Transporter (SHT for short)

Is "SHT" pronounced the way it should be?"

I suggest they call it the "Segway Human Individual Transporter". It would be easier to remember. SH...

16 posted on 08/19/2002 3:02:17 PM PDT by cibco
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Is that photo real??
17 posted on 08/19/2002 3:11:11 PM PDT by Dog
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Yes.

Heart smart-Cheney rides the Segway

18 posted on 08/19/2002 3:14:10 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Thanks.
19 posted on 08/19/2002 3:18:40 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
Your welcome.

Just remember, Cheney is the one with "gravitas".

20 posted on 08/19/2002 3:23:55 PM PDT by Willie Green
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