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To: kennyo; Cultural Jihad; Kevin Curry
What it did say was that the "suspect" stopped his car,rolled down his window,showed his driver's license,engaged in conversation,but was uncooperative!

'Uncooperative! I guess that is one way of saying that he fled from the traffic stop, which is a felony. When he was pursued, and stopped again, he was witnessed pulling a weapon. He then fled again, and when he was stopped the last time, he left the car firing his weapon, killing a local cop, leaving a widow and children. I guess that you can call this uncooperative! Wonder why you left this part out?

30 posted on 08/18/2002 10:23:39 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The ideologues like to abstract the important parts. "Don was killed merely for speeding, for crying out loud!" which implies that he was minding his own business, albeit going a few miles over the speed limit, when a police cruiser came along side of his car and blasted him.

The ideologues in their juvenile mentality will point to the horrors of force: John littered a Snickers bar candy wrapper, and a policeman saw it and came along to give him a $20.00 ticket for his infraction, hoping to make him act a little more responsibly next time. Well, John tore up the ticket and threw it in the gutter. The date of his court apprearance came and went, so a bench warrant was issued. The police came by his trailer to arrest him for his failure to appear. John refuses to come out. To make his point on how serious he is about wanting to be left alone, he brandishes a weapon. Eventually it escalates and now John is dead. The ideologues would claim: "Gee! The Blue Meanies murdered John merely for littering a candy wrapper! You want to murder people for littering?! 'Cause that is what you are doing when you support the rule of law!"

31 posted on 08/18/2002 10:34:01 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
'Uncooperative! I guess that is one way of saying that he fled from the traffic stop, which is a felony. When he was pursued, and stopped again, he was witnessed pulling a weapon. He then fled again, and when he was stopped the last time, he left the car firing his weapon, killing a local cop, leaving a widow and children. I guess that you can call this uncooperative! Wonder why you left this part out?

Seems to me that the situation warrented a call for a "BACKUP" not a go it alone traffic stop.

52 posted on 08/18/2002 1:47:56 PM PDT by Don Corleone
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
'Uncooperative! I guess that is one way of saying that he fled from the traffic stop...?

Maybe the officer was being unreasonable.What would you do if you were stopped by an officer for speeding,and asked to get out of your car,subject yourself and car to search?You'd probably fall right into line,as would I,as I do not relish the thought of spending time in jail for "refusing to cooperate"with an unconstitutional search.Cops should read and understand the constitution just like the rest of us,and respect it's provisions.I can't count the number of newspaper articles I've read where police found drugs or other contraband in cars,to be informed at the end of the article that it was all the product of a "routine traffic stop".If it was a routine traffic stop,what were the police doing in the trunk?

85 posted on 08/19/2002 8:47:56 AM PDT by kennyo
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