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DCF leader: It's OK to spank
Schnitt Show ^ | 08/16/02

Posted on 08/16/2002 2:41:33 PM PDT by Sungirl

TALLAHASSEE - The man named Thursday by Gov. Jeb Bush to head Florida's notoriously inept child welfare agency is an evangelical Christian who views spanking that causes ''bruises or welts'' as acceptable punishment.

The revelation did not come to Bush's attention until hours after the governor introduced Jerry Regier, a former Oklahoma Cabinet secretary and aide to Bush's father, as the new chief of the state's Department of Children and Families.

Regier, 57, was named less than 48 hours after the resignation of DCF Secretary Kathleen A. Kearney. He takes over an agency that has been embroiled in scandal since 5-year-old Rilya Wilson disappeared.

In a 1989 essay entitled The Christian World View of the Family, Regier and co-author George Rekers railed against abortion and gay couples forming families, and emphasized that husbands have ``final say in any family dispute.''

And the essay declares that ''biblical spanking'' that leads to ``temporary and superficial bruises or welts do not constitute child abuse.''

The essay also said Christians should not marry non-Christians, that divorce is acceptable only when there is adultery or desertion and that wives should view working outside the home as ''bondage.'' The ''radical feminist movement,'' the essay adds, ``has damaged the morale of many women and convinced men to relinquish their biblical authority in the home.''

Asked if the governor was aware of Regier's writings before they were raised by The Herald, Bush spokeswoman Katie Muniz said: ``I have a simple answer. No.''

But, she added, ``Mr. Regier has been an outstanding public servant for over a decade serving two presidents and a sitting governor. His record speaks for itself. Many of our nation's finest public servants past and present have been men and women of faith.''

''However, Mr. Regier understands there is a clear distinction between fulfilling the duties and responsibilities of your office and promoting religious views,'' Muniz added.

But Regier's essay raises questions about the suggestion that he would keep beliefs and government duties separate.

He and Rekers at one point urge Christians to take ``whatever actions we can, within our biblical and constitutional limits, to realign county, state, and federal legislation regarding family issues in order to make it conform to the Bible's view of reality and morality.''

Though praised by many as a strong administrator in Oklahoma, Regier also has a long line of detractors. Critics say his devotion to conservative Christian principles could run afoul of long-standing Florida child welfare practice -- and perhaps law.

''He'll turn that agency basically into a theocracy,'' said Oklahoma state Rep. M.C. Leist, who serves on that social services appropriations subcommittee. ``You need to watch out with Jerry.''

Deborah Schroth, an attorney with Florida Legal Services, a statewide public interest law firm in Jacksonville, said state law specifically forbids corporal punishment that results in bruises and welts.

The new DCF chief's ''view of what is not child abuse is contrary to Florida law,'' Schroth said.

Regier, who was in Tallahassee on Thursday morning for the announcement of his appointment, was on his way back to Oklahoma City on Thursday night and could not be reached for comment.

Regier, who called the DCF job ''a daunting task,'' was recommended by Bush's fellow Republican governor, Frank Keating of Oklahoma, who suggested to Bush in a letter that Regier ''could be of immense help to you.'' Keating noted he called in Regier during a ''similar crisis'' in Oklahoma, asking him to root out phantom employees on the health department payroll.

Regier, who will be paid $150,000 a year, will take over a staff of more than 25,000 employees statewide who oversee more than 45,000 children, most of whom have been abused or neglected by their parents. He said his first task will be to meet with agency employees.

He will work with a budget of $844 million, a significant reduction from the $1.2 billion at his disposal in Oklahoma.

Regier steps into the shoes of former Broward judge Kearney, who resigned Tuesday after more than three months of turmoil, beginning with the April announcement that 5-year-old Rilya had disappeared from Florida's foster care system.

In subsequent days, the agency faced down serious allegations that several children -- from Miramar, Lakeland, Fort Myers, Riviera Beach and Crestview -- already known to be at risk, died from abuse or neglect.

Regier said he's confident the agency can be turned around. The father of four said he met with DCF staff several weeks ago to offer advice, but ''was not looking for a job,'' until Bush called him Wednesday to offer him the position.

''We're going to open the windows of this department,'' he said. ``We want to restore confidence in the department and I believe that's possible.''

Steven Novick, a Tulsa attorney who has fought with Oklahoma over children's issues, said Regier won kudos for his cleaning up the corruption in the Department of Health and Human Services.

''That was generally regarded as good work,'' Novick said.

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Bill McBride was surprised to hear about Regier's stances on child abuse and working women.

''That just sounds crazy to me,'' McBride said. ``The worst thing we can have is some philosophical thing that suggests we need to put kids more at risk of abuse.

``If the governor wasn't deliberate enough to have found the best, then he should be held accountable for this.''

Janet Reno, the leading Democratic candidate for governor, said she was not familiar with Regier's record and declined to comment on it.

Some Oklahoma lawmakers said they wished Florida well but said there was a darker side to Regier's reputation as a hard-nosed administrator.

''The best way I've heard him described is that he considers himself a self-made man -- and he worships his maker,'' said Democratic Sen. Gene Stipe, dean of the Oklahoma Senate with 54 years of service. ``He'll be extremely partisan, you can expect that. He will really champion all the right-wing causes.''

Though Regier boasted he had saved taxpayers more than $1 million by rooting out patronage and corruption in Oklahoma's health department, Stipe said Regier ''busted'' his budget at the state's Office of Juvenile Affairs, a position he held before taking over at the department of health.

Leist, a Democratic state House member, said Regier's $10-million effort to curb divorce -- which used unspent welfare dollars primarily intended for poor people -- did little to improve the welfare of troubled families.

''It stunk,'' Leist said of Regier's Marriage Initiative, which was warmly embraced by Keating, and much of conservative Washington. Contrary to Regier and Keating's proclamations, Leist said, Oklahoma's divorce rate was lower than surrounding states.

''He's good at fighting problems that don't exist,'' Stipe said.

In 1999, while Regier was secretary for health and human services, Oklahoma ranked 40th among the 50 states for several key indicators of child well-being (Florida ranked 36th). The rankings, the most recent available, are compiled by the Annie E. Casey Foundation, a private charitable organization for needy children.

Regier is a founder and former president of the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group that bills itself as championing ``marriage and family as the foundation of civilization . . .''

Regier called himself a ''preacher's kid'' and said he would promote the involvement of faith-based organizations in social services.

''My faith certainly plays a role,'' he said. ``We're not going to solve this problem by ourselves.''

Herald staff writers Steve Rothaus, Jay Weaver, Oscar Corral and Tyler Bridges contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dcf; jeb; jerryregier; spanking
Oh brother......he appointed someone way too fast....what a mistake.
1 posted on 08/16/2002 2:41:33 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
Here we go again:

"Mr. Regier, are you now, or have you ever been, a practicing Christian?"

That your bandwagon, too, Sungirl?

Dan

2 posted on 08/16/2002 2:44:58 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: Sungirl
We need more people like this guy.

Way to go Jeb!
3 posted on 08/16/2002 2:46:42 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Sungirl
Looks like Bush hired someone to straighten out the DCF...what gives Sungirl.
4 posted on 08/16/2002 2:49:44 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: BibChr
Not at all.....I am glad he appointed him....I think kids today need welts and bruises too :)
BUT....this is being blown out of proportion and they are saying Jeb didn't know this ahead of time and it's causing him embarrassment. This was way too important for Jeb to not do his homework (if he didn't know .. as they are saying.)
5 posted on 08/16/2002 2:49:51 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
".I think kids today need welts and bruises too :) "

My kids got their bottoms tanned a few time and I never hit so hard as to leave a bruise and seldom a 'welt'. But they learned respect, responsibility, and law. Whether the law was Mom & Dad's or the state. They learned it and not without tears.

They (2-girls, now 33 and 31) both have told me that they are glad we came down on them once in a while AS NEEDED! They both make me proud.
6 posted on 08/16/2002 2:56:34 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: Sungirl
Jocelyn Elders has been encouraging spanking for years.
7 posted on 08/16/2002 3:08:41 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy
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To: lawdude
I agree with your post. I have nothing against parents who spank their young children from time to time. When he was a child, I spanked my son a few times when he was truly misbehaving. It worked. Rarely did he need that sort of punishment once he finally got the message that he could only go so far and disobedience had consequences. However, neither my husband or I ever left any bruises or welts. Sorry, according to our beliefs, (and that of our Christian Pastor) welts and bruises come from severe beatings, not spankings. One can spank a child soundly and get the message across without leaving bruises or raised welts. Red, sore bottoms, yes, but bruises and welts? No way.
8 posted on 08/16/2002 3:11:01 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Yeah...but she's a liberal..it's different. I just heard this lady on the radio news acting hysterical that Jeb appointed this guy....it would of made you sick.
9 posted on 08/16/2002 3:12:15 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
Careful, Sungirl. The Reno-press created this scandal. Problems with the state involvement in America's increasingly dysfunctional family life are nationwide, a long time in creating and much too complex to cover with this DNC smear campaign. They missed all the other factors...like Reno's "no-fault" divorce laws and support for various other policies that weaken and redefine our families...from same-sex marriages and gay adoptions (not good for the kids), to pro-abortion up to and including silencing protesters, to even more laws making state workers do what no person can do...read another's heart.

It's a shameful, diabolical campaign and the press is as guilty for not doing any basic research on the subject, imho.

When Janet Reno heard about Rilya's disappearance she was glad. That is all you need to know about Ms. Reno. It isn't the first time she used child abuse for campaigning:

Alberto Millian, PBA Director of Political Affairs and a former prosecutor, said many local officers feel betrayed by Reno's actions.
 
May 7 -- "Reno owes the public answers". If former attorney general Janet Reno is going to present herself to the voters of Florida as a candidate for governor, the least she can do is answer questions -- raised anew by a PBS "Frontline" documentary last month -- about whether her prosecution as Dade County district attorney of the sensational Country Walk ritual-child-abuse case resulted in the imprisonment of innocent defendants (editorial, St. Petersburg Times, Apr. 28; PBS/WGBH, "The Child Terror"; Dorothy Rabinowitz, "The Pursuit of Justice in Dade County", Wall Street Journal, Oct. 28, 1996, reprinted at McGill University site; Rael Jean Isaac, "Janet Reno and her Record as a So-Called Champion of Children", Independent Women's Forum, Apr. 27, 2000). (DURABLE LINK)

Is it striking to you in any way, Dr. Ceci, that you and I have sat here and talked about a phenomenon that Lord knows showed itself in all corners of this country, But we're talking about [a number of] rather remarkable cases, that occurred in a period of time in one place, the State Attorney's office in Dade County, Florida, at the time that that office was run by Janet Reno. What should we take from that?

Well, if I want to be glib, the way to become the Attorney General of the United States is to aggressively pursue pedophilia. It's an easy crime to hate.... But that is a sort of glib analysis. I don't know if that's true in general....

In the effort to make it, if you will, a child-friendly, a victim-friendly process, understandably so, what Ms. Reno did down in Miami was to make people such as the Bragas, to make specifically the Bragas, part of the law enforcement system, literally an extension of it. In retrospect was that such a good idea?


Frontline. Child Terror.PBS
See also"
Beware of Elian's Psycho-babblers, Michelle Malkin.
UN would rule families, Insightmag.com
DSS Social Engineers of the Brave New World
Sacrificing Our Children, Chuck Baldwin.
Good links on the harm of divorce.
Testimony of Christopher J. Klicka, Senior Counel of the Home School Legal Defense Assoc., Oct. 2001. Hearing on the Reauthorization of the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (good).
Real Facts About the Foster Care System
A System Out of Control.
The National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway and Thrownaway Children (NISMART) estimates that one out of every seven children will run away between the ages of 10 and 18. Nationally, 450,000 run away from home each year and 13,000 run away from juvenile facilities. Fortunately, one-half of all runaways return home within two days. Link.
Family abductions are real crimes with real victims,” stated NCMEC President and CEO Ernie Allen. “Children are often taken by noncustodial family members in acts of revenge or anger and their best interests are not considered. Many of these victims live a transient life without a stable home or schooling.

NCMEC is the only nonprofit organization granted access to NCIC and NLETS, the National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System. For more information, please visit www.missingkids.com or call NCMEC’s toll-free hotline at 1-800-843-5678.


Some could say that Janet Reno as AG was partly responsible for the mess in Wenatchee. Innocent people accused and jailed on the word of coached little children. How can this woman look in the mirror?
10 posted on 08/16/2002 3:22:10 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Sungirl
Well if old Senator Stipe, a very powerful Democrat in the Okla legislature for at least 100 years (or so it seems).... if he is against this guy, then Gov Bush made a very good choice.
11 posted on 08/16/2002 3:25:09 PM PDT by maxter
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To: Sungirl
DCF leader: It's OK to spank

Good. Now that this is settled, will someone start rounding up all the Democrats?

12 posted on 08/16/2002 3:26:03 PM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: Sungirl
Err... never mind...
13 posted on 08/16/2002 3:27:14 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy
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To: Sungirl; BibChr
Regier's essay raises questions about the suggestion that he would keep beliefs and government duties separate.

Curiously, this never has been a concern when it comes to our socialist/Marxist Dem politicians and bureaucrats.

14 posted on 08/16/2002 3:34:07 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Sungirl
But the socialist South African loon that Chiles had in their was OK?

95% of men and at least half of the women in Florida agree with everything this guy says.

It's bizarre that someone whos views are nothing but mainstream would be so villified by morons like that idiot Schnitt, whos show sucks and is only on the air because the raido stations in Florida are too cheap to pay for Sean Hannity.

15 posted on 08/16/2002 3:40:04 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: demnomo
Some people bruse easier than others.
16 posted on 08/16/2002 4:49:27 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Sungirl
There is no way Jeb would have the time to read or review everything somebody said in their lifetimes. I would be worried if he did. Sounds like he knew enough to appoint this man to the position he did. I think he did a good job. These people think he should be embarassed about these things but I se no reason to be. Those folks are a bunch of whining irresponsible wimps whos children will grow up to be molestors and killers.
17 posted on 08/16/2002 4:58:35 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: All
FYI -- Where the FL Story of Jeb's New DCF Chief Should Have Appeared:
"The Weekly World News"

18 posted on 08/17/2002 4:06:51 AM PDT by summer
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