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To: berned
The Catechism quotes a Vatican II document:

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.

from,
DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964
219 posted on 08/15/2002 12:30:43 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Care to reply to the specifics of post # 159?
222 posted on 08/15/2002 12:52:00 PM PDT by berned
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To: heyheyhey
Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.

This is baloney. If one doesn't know Christ, then one has to be sinless. One either must lead a perfect life according to the law, or one must be saved thru faith in Christ. Nowhere in scripture is another plan outlined. Grace only comes through Christ - no other plan available. This is more apostasy. "Strive by their deeds..." - here we go again with earning salvation! Let me ask you something: Is there such a thing as a person who has not broken the 10 commandments? Question #2: Can sin be forgiven other than thru the blood of Christ? Question 3: Can a perfectly just an Holy God NOT punish unwashed sin? The pygmies in Africa who do not know Christ are not going to hell for not hearing the gospel, they are going for breaking God's laws! Period. Nevertheless, everyone will get a fair deal.

224 posted on 08/15/2002 1:09:48 PM PDT by exmarine
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