A Reflection on Apostasy

The Diocese Report/DRBlog ^ | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 | Brian Mershon

[semaj]

"I'll buy that "the church" is really the sum of its members, but aren't those same members part of the RC church? Isn't it plausible that the RC church is at least as likely to be "right" on matters of faith than any other thoughtful Christian religion?"

Yes, and yes. The only trouble I have with the RC is on the issue of infallibility. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Other than that one thing, I'm sure that when the Kingdom is established for all to see, we will be suprised at who we find there, and even more suprised at who we don't.

[ultima ratio]

What's left to say? This is proof the New Order is not Catholic. The only thing that props it up is the slavish obedience it is still able to exact from fearful lay people who would rather deny the faith itself than admit they've been snookered by religious con artists.

[ultima ratio]

You are misinformed. The SSPX is not schismatic since the excommunication of its founder was obviously invalid.
He disobeyed the Pope because he believed our situation added up to a state of necessity--which Canon Law itself declares would void an excommunication. Who can doubt he acted correctly, given the current heretical scene?

[exmarine]

Those bishops should read Mathew 28:18. That's what bothers me about cathlic doctrine - they put man-made doctrine up there with God-breathed revelation. This humanism began to creep into the catholic church about 1000 years ago when Aquinas tried to reconcile Revelation with humanism (Aristotle). Big mistake. The two are incompatible.

[exmarine]

Hang it up, guys. The Pope has universal and immediate jurisdiction over the entire Church. If he excommunicates you, you've been excommunicated.

You mean the same Pope who said evolution is "more than a hypothysis"? The same pope who called a prayer conference for all faiths (including muslim, hindu, buddhist, etc.) and prayed with them? The same pope who opens the "Holy Door" in Rome every 25 years and walking thru it will cleanse one of sins? That pope? My authority is Jesus Christ and His Word. Men are sinful and fallible - that includes the Pope.

[exmarine]

What makes Thomas Aquinas a saint? Does the pope say so? God decides who isn't and isn't a saint. In fact, all believers in Jesus Christ are saints according to Paul. Thomas Aquinas tried to reconcile Christianity with Aristotle - can't be done. And some of the Aristotlean ideas were really lame, but the catholic church held onto them for dear life until after Galileo made them look foolish.

[tang-soo]

Anybody in the Columbus, Ohio area, Bob Burney of WRFD 880 AM is going to respond on air in a few minutes (close to 5:00 pm eastern) to an email I sent him this afternoon regarding this issue. I sent him an email yesterday about the initial statement made by the Catholic church and referred him to the FR posting. It was quite a conversation. Hopefully, it will continue today.

Barry

[ultima ratio]

If I'm excommunicated, somebody forgot to tell me. Funny how ready you people are to grant the Jews redemption without even the intercession of Christ, so long as the bishops say so. That doesn't stop you from consigning the rest of us to Hell. But consider this: what if it's you who have cut yourself off from the true Faith--out of blind and idolatrous worship of the Pope?

[tang-soo]

Oops! Big ol' never mind. The note he is referencing
at this time is certainly not mine. Sorry for the noise