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IBM Job Cuts Exceed 15,600
CNN | 8/13/02

Posted on 08/13/2002 6:42:32 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

Total employees laid off in latest round of job cuts is more than twice what some estimated.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - IBM on Tuesday said the total number of employees who lost their jobs as a result of its cost cutting efforts in the second quarter exceeded 15,600, more than twice what some company watchers had estimated.

The tech titan disclosed that number in its comprehensive quarterly financial statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

IBM, the world's largest supplier of computer hardware and information technology services, said the bulk of the job cuts were in its Global Services division, where most of 14,213 jobs. Another 1,400 cuts will come from its Microelectronics business, IBM said.

About 57 percent of those laid off had left the company as of June 30. The remaining 43 percent will be off the payroll by Sept. 30, IBM said in the filing.

IBM CEO Samuel Palmisano and Chief Financial Officer John Joyce also signed a sworn statement attesting to the accuracy of the company's quarterly financial statement, called a 10-Q.

Following a series of corporate accounting scandals, the SEC established a rule requiring the senior executives of companies that had 2001 revenue of at least $1.2 billion to take an oath certifying that their financial statements are correct.

The company's filing puts the magnitude of its job cuts into a much clearer perspective than it had been.

IBM (IBM: Research, Estimates) has a reputation for making "stealth layoffs," referring to small job cuts across a range of departments, which keeps it out of the public eye. During this latest round of layoffs, the company did not publicly announce the cuts, but it did acknowledge that job cuts were being made if reporters called and asked.

However, IBM refused to provide specific numbers, confirming only that job cuts were made and in which divisions.

The Alliance@IBM, a labor union representing about 4,000 IBM employees, has been chronicling the job cuts and had estimated the total number at about 7,000.

But union representatives pointed out that because IBM's Global Services unit is somewhat fragmented, with many employees working from their homes and others scattered in small offices across the globe, determining the actual number of cuts there would be difficult.

At last count, IBM employed more than 319,000 people worldwide, roughly 160,000 of whom were based in the U.S. Some industry observers have suggested that the sheer size of the company and the scope of its operations make it nearly impossible for IBM to provide a specific number of expected layoffs.

Others pointed out that IBM's top management typically does not mandate a specific number of job cuts, but instead delegates such decisions to the company's various divisional managers.

Using that approach, IBM's top brass wouldn't know what the actual number is until each of its divisions reports back.

Initially, IBM had estimated that it would record a total of between $2 billion and $2.5 billion in charges related to the job cuts and other restructuring moves. But when it reported its second-quarter results, the company said that total may reach as high as $3 billion.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ibm; recession; thebusheconomy
Is this part of that, confidence in the economy?
1 posted on 08/13/2002 6:42:32 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Is this part of that, confidence in the economy?

Actually yes! It is more a direct result of IBM buying Price, Waterhouse, Cooper's IT consulting business to supplant IBM Global Services division. When you buy the best, you lay off the rest.
2 posted on 08/13/2002 6:48:48 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Hmmmmm....since we are not a manufacturing economy anymore and the service economy is taking major hits, whats left?
The 'Welfare Economy' perhaps?
3 posted on 08/13/2002 6:56:03 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Joe Hadenuf
This does bring back memories!

If a customer of IBM has had substantial drop in business than he has not been installing new hardware , or upgrading applications at the rate prior to the recession.
So naturally there would be less need for IBM to staff Data Centers and write new Programs!

4 posted on 08/13/2002 7:06:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: RCW2001
Your reading my mind......
5 posted on 08/13/2002 7:12:33 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Kinda like a house of cards Ernest? Or would it be dominos?
6 posted on 08/13/2002 7:13:59 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RCW2001
Hmmmmm....since we are not a manufacturing economy anymore and the service economy is taking major hits, whats left? The 'Welfare Economy' perhaps?

The underground is doing well, from what I hear.

7 posted on 08/13/2002 7:24:17 PM PDT by templar
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Another confidence builder......American Airlines is laying off 7000 personell.
8 posted on 08/13/2002 7:25:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Microsoft is hiring though
9 posted on 08/13/2002 7:31:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: B4Ranch
It's easy to point to problems. I remember during the boom times that there were huge layoffs, but people ignored it because they had a huge amount of $$$ in the market. Now that the bubble has popped people will see similiar numbers and declare it's over...we're doomed.

We have to face it, the 90's were a lot like the roaring 20's. We over indulged and now we are reaping what we have sown in the stock market. Having said that I still have faith in our economy--even though my job is currently at risk.

10 posted on 08/13/2002 7:33:13 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: for-q-clinton
Until airport security changes the airlines are going to have problems.
11 posted on 08/13/2002 7:54:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"IBM's Global Services unit" == 15,000 more unemployed consultants, programmers, analysts, DBA's, etc..

Umm..is it ok now, Congress, three years into the IT job depression, if we nudge the 200,000-per-year H1-VISA computer-job-grab door shut? That 200,000 is in addition to the Canadian and Mexican professionals who can enter under the NAFTA agreement without quota restrictions.

It amounts to a massive US government program specifically designed to give away the jobs of 35-55 yr old American IT professionals to talented, but less experienced, under-30 professionals from other countries, who will eagerly work for compensation 70% less than the American market, PLUS one green card after 3 years.

The "job shop", Consulting, and major software vendor folks get rich, the over 35 crowd of American computer professionals find new careers (after losing their houses), and the best-and-brightest from India, the Philippines, Ireland, South Africa, and Russia assume control of the U.S. Software and IT market.

Oh, and of course, the politicians who support this policy are VERY well compensated for their votes. Everyone < important> wins. Is this a great country, or what?!

</end rant>

12 posted on 08/13/2002 8:02:30 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
It amounts to a massive US government program specifically designed to give away the jobs of 35-55 yr old American IT professionals to talented, but less experienced, under-30 professionals from other countries, who will eagerly work for compensation 70% less than the American market, PLUS one green card after 3 years.

Thanks for that post. I am seriously wondering where the hell the allegiance went for American citizens? What is happening here? What is really happening? Is this as ugly as it appears?

13 posted on 08/13/2002 8:30:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: B4Ranch
Another confidence builder......American Airlines is laying off 7000 personell.

I heard. It seems this type of news is never ending.....

14 posted on 08/13/2002 8:31:04 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RCW2001
"Hmmmmm....since we are not a manufacturing economy anymore and the service economy is taking major hits, whats left? The 'Welfare Economy' perhaps?"

What's left? Between the jobs going overseas, the remaining employers hiring illegals and H1Bs the citizens are left with no alternatives.

15 posted on 08/13/2002 11:29:51 PM PDT by brat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
. "I am seriously wondering where the hell the allegiance went for American citizens? What is happening here? What is really happening? Is this as ugly as it appears?"

I think its worse. If gov and business admits to those numbers, no doubt the truth is even worse. I honestly fear for this country. Like the Bible says: Mens hearts will fail them for the things they see coming upon the earth.

16 posted on 08/13/2002 11:33:49 PM PDT by brat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's not an "allegiance" thing. It's all about business, and perverse incentives established by an "oh-I'm-such-a-good-person" government policy.

Look, immigration is good. Immigrants are good. H1B visas are GREAT. We just need a level playing field, without IRS harassment, and with H1B visas issued relevant to the NEED, not the next election cycle. There used to be requirements for an employer to advertise for a certain period of time, prove the need, etc., before they could hire an H1B. It was a joke. You'd see an advertisement for:

"PH'D Computer Engineer wanted: Must have 30 years experience designing silicone chips, building the original edition of Windows, have designed the propulsion system for the Space Shuttle, and must have flown a recent Shuttle mission in the past 3 months. Salary: $18,000 per year. Must pay all relocation expenses. Interview is in Afghanistan. Job is in a hazardous waste dump in Calcutta. Urgent need; respond immediately. Send a $100 background check fee with resume and the 94 page job application."

It was a farce. They were merely meeting the government requirement to "prove" there were no able American's who would consider the job. If they're going to issue H1B's, they ought to at least drop the quota 10% for every 10,000 lost IT jobs.

But then, I'm not politically correct. I'm just one of those angry, white, lazy, middle aged American males who can't compete, and my beautiful immigrant wife, "brown", straight-A Christian children, and countless foreign-national friends know it.

17 posted on 08/13/2002 11:34:52 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Again, excellent post. Thanks...
18 posted on 08/14/2002 7:47:52 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
IBM is having some serious service delivery problems as of late - a purge was in order. Some less charitable souls might have actually called for a firing squad.

Whistling innocently....

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 08/14/2002 7:49:44 AM PDT by MadIvan
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