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Myth2: The violence policy center is not about violence, it is about confinement of law abiding citizens and the local police.

And all weapons can be used for assault and military purpose. Is there such a class as assault weapons save in the dictated definition by the violence policy center. A class of weapon is defined by the action or the caliber or what not. Where in the ATF regs or whatever is there such assault weapon class? The FAA has classes of airplanes by teh number of engines. A class of weapon is a narrow function centric characteristic of the weapon, not a broad vagueness doctrine gossipy definition piceked up from news papers and the VPC.

1 posted on 08/12/2002 11:20:09 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: *bang_list
I meant: a distinctive class in law is not a broad vagueness-doctrine-violating gossipy definition picked up from news papers and fantasized by the VPC as a result.

2 posted on 08/12/2002 11:22:11 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
More semantic cleverness from VPC - there is such a thing as an "assault rifle" and an "assault pistol" - these are selective-fire weapons that have full automatic capabilities. No "expert" with whom I am acquainted has claimed that these do not exist, they simply state the truth: that fully automatic weapons are available to the civilian market in tiny quantities and under heavy licensing restrictions.

Now, "assault weapon" is a vernacular of another order. This is a term deliberately left vague so as to subsume any gun VPC or anyone else does not like because it resembles a military weapon in appearance, more or less. Scary-looking guns, and nothing more. VPC is acting with its customary disingenuosness in attempting to blur the distinction.

3 posted on 08/12/2002 11:26:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: lavaroise
Experts Say There is No Such Thing as a Civilian Assault Weapon

Yeah, but there should be.

Andrew

4 posted on 08/12/2002 11:33:42 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: lavaroise
http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm
Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.

5 posted on 08/12/2002 11:35:11 AM PDT by jdege
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To: lavaroise
I don't know, what's the difference between a pitchfork and an assault pitchfork?
9 posted on 08/12/2002 12:46:48 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: lavaroise
The Miller decision in 1939, the last time the Supreme Court addressed the 2nd Amendment, said it was okay for the US to outlaw sawed-off shotguns, because they didn't have a demonstrable military use. Thus, under the 2nd Amendment, guns WITH a demonstrable military use are prefered, so that the People can remained armed to stronger degree than the government, in order to defend its freedom.
11 posted on 08/12/2002 12:50:31 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: lavaroise
Guns & Ammo also found point shooting from the hip to be "surprisingly easy" with the HK 94 9mm Carbine

"The HK 91 Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle from Heckler & Koch...was derived directly from the G3"

Of course, per the usual VPC MO there is no mention of the fact that you can likely count the number of times since recorded history that either of these particular ASSAULT WEAPONS has been used in the commission of a crime ON ONE HAND, but that's clearly beside the point.

Like the 'Nuge said, "If guns cause crime, mine are all defective."

12 posted on 08/12/2002 1:05:53 PM PDT by xsrdx
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To: lavaroise
I call them "Sport-Utility Rifles."
15 posted on 08/12/2002 1:55:38 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: lavaroise
...and the lethality-enhancing utility of their distinctive characteristics as selling points

Uhh, aren't guns supposed to be "lethality-enhancing"? They don't seem too useful otherwise...
16 posted on 08/12/2002 1:55:51 PM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: lavaroise
I just don't understand this handwringing, whining lament that the liberals are constantly moaning. Any weapon, when used in resistance of tyranny is an assault weapon. If you're a truly free country you have no NEED to fear any weapon. IF on the other hand, your motives are suspect and you would approach that precious jewel that is our Bill of Rights...then indeed your life is at risk.

What do these bozos think was used at the battle of Lexington? Or along the Concord Road? Lemme tell you, I would much rather take a hit from an M16 than one from a Kentucky Long Rifle cal .58! I just gave my classes today their summerschool exam for world history. The question dealing with the American Revolution went like this: What act caused the outbreak of gunfire that was known as the "shot heard 'round the WORLD?" ANSWER: "The King of England, representing the lawful government of the new world colonies, attempted to seize the personally held firearms of the citizenry."

I would also accept the short answer: "GUN CONTROL." Nobody in my class this summer scored under a "C" when I took over three weeks ago, there were nine kids failing.

20 posted on 08/12/2002 5:32:10 PM PDT by ExSoldier
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To: lavaroise
A 1990 review in the NRA's American Rifleman of the Sites Spectre HC Pistol said, "A gun like the Spectre is primarily intended for hip-firing....

What they left out after the "...." is most likely "because the the sight system is not so hot" or some other such statement.

I know it's hard to believe the VPC would leave out part of a quote that makes it irrelevant to their thesis

25 posted on 08/13/2002 7:28:31 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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