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Intel to start fab plant in China
The Inquirer ^ | 8-7-2002 | Mike Magee

Posted on 08/07/2002 7:25:09 AM PDT by JameRetief

Intel to start fab plant in China

Compelling reasons to shift

By Mike Magee: Wednesday 07 August 2002, 11:10

RELIABLE SOURCES TELL the INQUIRER that by the year 2005 there's likely to be an Intel fabrication plant located in mainland China.

And the firm is also planning on boosting its presence in Malaysia and another unnamed Asian country, we have learned.

Intel already has a Chinese research centre in Beijing, to which it is actively recruiting staff, and a flash memory factory in Shanghai. But a fab in mainland China has obvious advantages. It would give Intel direct access to distribution channels, avoid punishing tariffs, and of course, labour costs would be much reduced.

The Chinese government also has an active policy of favouring locally based firms, and its own ambitious project to develop CPUs.

More importantly, and as we've reported here before, the majority of Intel's revenues come from outside its home territory, and analysts predict the vast majority of semiconductor growth in the next five to 10 years will be in the Chinese marketplace.

Local engineering expertise and infrastructure is also much improved in mainland China, and there's a steady brain drain of designers from Taiwan, too.

The Beijing research centre already has an ambitious programme for software development, as you can see by clicking on this Intel page.

But an Intel fab on the mainland is likely to be built near the Shanghai area, which is already a hotbed of semiconductor development. µ

See Also
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Mainland China set to rule the semi world
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: china; chinastuff; fab; intel; production; tariffs
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1 posted on 08/07/2002 7:25:10 AM PDT by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
RELIABLE SOURCES TELL the INQUIRER that by the year 2005 there's likely to be an Intel fabrication plant located in mainland China.

To build a "fab", it costs something like $3 Billion (see forbes for reference). Not exactly a small investment.

2 posted on 08/07/2002 7:51:14 AM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: JameRetief
(Rant mode ON!)

The stupidity of this is appalling!

The Damn Bean Counters are so freaking worried about their bottom line they would sell anything or do anything to improve their short term profits. What they ignore is that in the long run they will have NO profits, because the PRC will use the technology to undercut them in their own fields.

(Rant mode Off)

3 posted on 08/07/2002 9:25:25 AM PDT by M_TEN_FORTYFIVE
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To: M_TEN_FORTYFIVE; christine11
Hell just give the ChiComs the whole damned country and get it over with...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH BUSH ???? IS HE Fxxxing INSANE? Strange I don't feel protected at all by this gubbimint. I would appreciate it if some of you more influential FREEPERS would organize a mail in campaign and e-mail to all the Congress raising hell about this damned poor decision... WE NEED THE JOBS... and WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE CHINA ANYTHING ELSE TO KILL US WITH !! Insanity and greed in the White House....
4 posted on 08/07/2002 10:27:58 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: M_TEN_FORTYFIVE
What they ignore is that in the long run they will have NO profits, because the PRC will use the technology to undercut them in their own fields.

Doubtful. The real work (and the real money) in these things goes into the design of them, not the actual manufacture. Unless and until the Chinese can design their own chips that run faster and cheaper, they're no threat at all to Intel.

5 posted on 08/07/2002 10:35:35 AM PDT by general_re
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To: *China stuff
Index Bump
6 posted on 08/07/2002 10:47:56 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: JameRetief
Again, Mike McGee (a ex-intel employee with an ax to grind) makes up another story.
If Intel were (and I have no knowlege of plans), it would be for chipsets, not microprocessors.
Intel's best fabs are in AZ, OR, NM with more in Israel and Ireland.

McGee's love, AMD has two major fabs, one in Austin which is being converted to Flash ONLY, and their fab in Dresden Germany which is the only AMD fab building their Athlon processor.

The point is McGee isn't bothered by AMD producing parts overseas but somehow the posibility that someday (and again I have no knowledge) Intel may build a chipset (ie low technology) fab in China, this bothers him greatly.

BTW, I am a stockholder of both AMD and Intel.

7 posted on 08/07/2002 12:21:20 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Lorenb420
To build a "fab", it costs something like $3 Billion (see forbes for reference). Not exactly a small investment.

but given the huge market, an investment that might be in intel's best interest to make.

8 posted on 08/07/2002 1:05:07 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: general_re
Doubtful. The real work (and the real money) in these things goes into the design of them, not the actual manufacture. Unless and until the Chinese can design their own chips that run faster and cheaper, they're no threat at all to Intel.

i have worked with the chinese before. your analysis is correct. they can do things cheaper, and what they can do they do well. they are simply limited in what they can do, both technologically and culturally.

9 posted on 08/07/2002 1:06:45 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: chemainus
Hell just give the ChiComs the whole damned country and get it over with...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH BUSH ????

i do not think bush had a direct or indirect hand in setting up an intel plant in china.

the best way to undermine communism is through capitalism. there is developing a business culture along the east coast of china that is beginning to see the error in its leaders' ways. the more these folks interract with the west, the sooner western thought will permeate their society and the better off we will all be.

10 posted on 08/07/2002 1:09:37 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: Zathras
Intel may build a chipset (ie low technology) fab in China

There might be something to that statement. The Chinese can't afford the good stuff, especially on a mass scale.

Margins in China are extremely tight. Some tech companies are going into cooperation with each other in China to drive costs down. Thats unheard of.

The Chinese market is extremely price sensitive. At the same time the government (where all these techies sell their stuff) is willing to spend lots...however they want 10 chips for the price of what we would pay for 4 of them...

There has to be a happy medium there somewhere. That medium is "4 year old tech"...sold to ensure a profit. They are going to have to sell things as commodity items.

The government of China is about to turn its attention from cel phones to internet infrastructure... and they want bang for their buck.

11 posted on 08/07/2002 1:20:01 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Zathras
As a stockholder you might want to find out more about the China plan. If these guys plan on going in with a multi-billion dollar investment, it might be time to get out of the Intel stock holding business.

If they pour 4 or 5 billion into China in upfront costs, it will take them years to recoup that...maybe never...

If they are planning on using old, but tried already, tech, and go in with low overhead, and aim for a low cost producer... then you might be safe. Maybe.

Also check on the number of entrants into the China sector too. Competition is going to be mad and pricing done on price war footing.

Thats how the CCP likes it.

12 posted on 08/07/2002 1:28:02 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Zathras
Motorola got lucky with their sales to China, at first. They were early and went in, really paving the way on this tech stuff...

As time passed, the Chinese figured things out. Last few years Motorola has been losing ground in China. The CCP "figured out" that they were being overcharged when Motorola posted returns...

That was viewed as 'screwing the Chinese'...

Now there are several competitive companies in China, and few make big money.

As for the internet, China has gone through the routine once, and the window of big profits that Motorola had at first won't really happen.

13 posted on 08/07/2002 1:33:56 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: JameRetief
And the firm is also planning on boosting its presence in Malaysia and another unnamed Asian country, we have learned.

Check out posts 11, 12, and 13.

The way this sounds, if its true, (and based on my previous experience), that Intel is going to use Malaysia and the 'other country' as its export platform.

China may well be bypassed on that game. And for good reason.

14 posted on 08/07/2002 1:43:37 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: mlocher
BULLSHIT...that's what LORAL and CLINTOONIA said...and Bush certainly does have a hand in what technology and manufacturing processes are exported ...wake up whoever you are and stop drooling that liberal balderdash !
15 posted on 08/07/2002 2:06:54 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: chemainus
I have to agree with you. Just 'investing and hoping' doesn't do crap.

From another thread...

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In 1979, China set a radical new course when Deng Xiaoping, the successor to Mao, effectively began to dismantle doctrinaire communism by declaring that "it matters not if a cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice" --

With that statement has China ever abandoned its strategic goals for ultimate super power and power over Asia? What is the "mouse" they are after?

China did not abandon its goal of a utopic China, they just tried a different method of getting there.

The only way they can do what they so desire... is to oppose the US.

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Investing in China makes rich dictators.

16 posted on 08/07/2002 2:11:40 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: chemainus
thanks for your kind words of encouragement. i speak from first hand experience. the chinese are a spiritually void society just wanting to know more about the west, its ways and capitalism. true, the peasants are no different than our pagan western societies of a thousand years ago. but the more contact the west has with the citizens (if you can call them that) the sooner there will be an overthrown government from within.

i suggest you wake up and smell the coffee and open your windows and doors. there is an exciting world of folks out there, many who hate us, but many more who aspire to be like us.

17 posted on 08/07/2002 2:16:51 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: JameRetief
Wonderful! It's always nice to see American corporations distributing the wealth they create through labor in communist third world nations! I'm so glad that it's our very good friend and long term ally....China.
18 posted on 08/07/2002 2:25:42 PM PDT by hove
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To: Zathras
Where did you get the impression McGee is bothered by Intel having a plant in China?

I posted the article because it has to do with a US corporation's dealing with the Chinese. As McGee points out, there are many tech corporations with production facilities in China, and he didn't disparage any of them for it. Why you think this is a hit piece on Intel is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat.

19 posted on 08/07/2002 3:12:11 PM PDT by JameRetief
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To: chemainus
excellent rant!!! ;)
20 posted on 08/07/2002 3:41:29 PM PDT by christine
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