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Is reinstatement of the draft at hand?
Various | Aug 4, 2002 | The Duke

Posted on 08/04/2002 3:08:09 PM PDT by The Duke

Lately, even as I hear the war drums incessantly beating with regard to Iraq, I've heard numerous radio ads reminding all "young men" that registration for "selective service" is "the law".

Could it possibly be that a ressurection of the draft is being contemplated? And if so will this draft be "selective" in the sense that it won't "select" the children of our national leaders(?) (as apparently was the case with Vietnam?)

My own three boys are a few years from being eligable for such a draft, and I've shared with them my belief that the integrity of our leadership (Democrat and Republican alike) is highly suspect. I've also shared with them that the eight years prior to the current administration was proof that one can dodge the draft and even get elected President.

I would like to know what other Freepers think of the prospect of resurrecting the draft?


TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: draft; ressurection; selectiveservice; unneededfear
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To: Gritty
We've got millions of young men and women who have honed their mental and visual reflexes for years playing ever more complicated video games.

Add to that their insensitivity to death and destruction which the games instill and I'd say that we've got potentially the most vicious and relentless warrior class in history.

In a high-tech shooting war, our teenagers would reek total annihilation against any distant enemy.

81 posted on 08/04/2002 6:31:38 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: gunnedah
If they reinstate the draft I will personally help any young man go to Canada

Won't do any good. Canada will send them back. But if they want to leave and go somewhere else, Delta has flights leaving everyday. Take a poll among the young men you know and see who would dodge the draft - buy them a ticket now and take them to the airport in order to avoid the rush.

I have no respect for anyone who would run away. My cousin was a conscientious objector during Vietnam. He went down, let the recruiter know he was a CO, and enlisted in the Army as a medic. He served two tours in Vietnam as a medic. He didn't run away, he ran to the sound of the guns. He has my utmost respect. The people I saw protesting in DC after dad got stationed there (after he came home from Vietnam) - I have no respect for them - they deserve none.

82 posted on 08/04/2002 6:32:20 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: mrfixit514
I just got came out of high school a little more than 2 years ago. Social security, medicare, welfare, rich people's 'fair share' tax, are common themes. All 4 of which are socialistic, with the last in reality being a progressive income tax which is one of the corner stones of socialism.
83 posted on 08/04/2002 6:33:43 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: The Duke; PhiKapMom
Well considering that Bill Clinton is willing to go fight for Israel, maybe he could be the poster boy for bringing back the draft, lol?
Brad
84 posted on 08/04/2002 6:34:15 PM PDT by bradactor
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To: ghostrider
"I agree with you. Folks better realize "upfront" what they are getting into. There is nothing more demoralizing to a soldier than to have "let it all hang out" only to find that he/she is being used as a pawn by cynical, double standard, hypocritical politicians not committed to and unappreciative of the soldiers sacrifice. This is especially true, now where soldiers are being placed under command of foreign military commanders, UN commanders and may be hauled before the superpolitical international criminal/war crimes courts."

I was in Viet Nam in 1968-69-70 and I as well as most all my friends joined out of (1) patriotism, (2) "to get our heads on straight", and (3) "Well, you're going to get drafted anyway and who wants to go be a dead ground-pounder?" None of us was angry about being there, but none of us liked the lack of support within the U.S. and among the populace. All of us were happy to leave Viet Nam and to finish our military time after 4 years.

Personally I like the idea of a national requirement for two years of national service, as practiced by Israel, neither gender excluded. I think we would be a much better and stronger nation as a result.
85 posted on 08/04/2002 6:40:40 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: sinkspur
Hey sinkspurt, Bush has no integrity. He has gone back on his campaign promises and he has violated his oath to support the constitution. Why should anybody believe in this person?
86 posted on 08/04/2002 6:47:42 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: The Duke
I wasn't aware that I had presented any "conclusions" - my intent was to solicit discussion -

It sure sounds like you've reached a decision to me, if not, that a lot of perfectly good paraniod thought gone to waste.

my intent was to solicit discussion - and attempt which seems to have been successful.

Looking back, most of the discussion is about cynicism, not the draft. And not one of the few posts that do discuss the draft agree with you.

Not much of a discussion.

I didn't say President Bush was a fool. In fact, I wouldn't have called "president" Clinton a fool either.

Now, as far as "liar" goes - all I can say is that both are politicians.

Then I'll restate: "While it seems I've spent the last 6 months disagreeing with President Bush more than agreeing with him, to call him a fool OR a liar is vile."

I would suggest that you don't think of a war with Iraq as necessarily being conveniently located "over there". One might do well to anticipate, for example, entire US cities quaranteened due to biowarfare within our own borders. In fact, the sailors at sea might be the lucky ones.

What does that have to do with what I said?

The fact remains that morale in the armed forces is high and reenlistments are up (rendering your "question" about the draft useless).

However, if we do decide to oust Hussein, it will, in fact, be necessary to GO to Iraq, despite what may happen over here. It might also be pointed out that by admitting Iraq may have biolgical weapons and the inclination to use them against a civilian population, you make going to Iraq less of "war drums incessantly beating" and more of a necessary evil.

We ain't living in Kansas no more Dorothy, and try as you might, clicking those ruby red slippers together ain't gonna help once certain genies are out of the bottle.

Very clever. But what are you talking about?

87 posted on 08/04/2002 6:48:47 PM PDT by TomB
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To: gunshy
Why should anybody believe in this person?

Why should anybody believe you? You've run Bush down since the day he was inaugurated. The only people who care what you think are your fellow Bush-haters.

I damn sure don't.

88 posted on 08/04/2002 7:03:58 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: The Duke
I and possible others would say. There is no way of knowing the truth unless you see for yourself. Your kids do not have to be the only ones volunteering for duty to ones country. I like the way Scott Ritter handles the issue. He has been there (I think)(I was not there at the time he was supposed to be there). But in this world you will eventually end up trusting someone. Thanks for listening. Hope this helps. Ps. like the little girl on dave letterman said "stand for something or you'll fall for anything". I agree though that the right mix of cynism is a good thing. I use it a whole bunch.
89 posted on 08/04/2002 8:07:57 PM PDT by hottomale
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To: The Duke
I would suggest that you don't think of a war with Iraq as necessarily being conveniently located "over there". One might do well to anticipate, for example, entire US cities quaranteened due to biowarfare within our own borders.

I pity your children. Forced to grow up trusting no one and nothing. Tought to fear and probably hate. Its not bad enough that there are things in this world to fear, you now have them cringing under their beds about biowarfare too? Congratulations Dad.

90 posted on 08/04/2002 8:41:17 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: templar
My child is raised to respect authority only if the authority deserves respect, and just being in power does not mean they deserve respect. That includes Presidents, politicians, preachers, myself, etc.

AMEN to that brother.

91 posted on 08/05/2002 12:32:25 AM PDT by biffalobull
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To: sinkspur
Instead, I taught them to take care of themselves, to respect other people, to give an employer a full days' work, to honor God by going to Mass every week, and by doing something for their community, on a regular basis.

All of that is very respectable and I agree with such a message. None of it, so far as I can see, addresses the question of obedience to authority, at least not directly.

I am not advocating teaching cynicism to children, especially young children. But children at some point need to be taught how to think for themselves, or else they may be taught to let others think for them.

Children need to be taught never to blindly trust those in power -- our representatives in government, in particular -- but to use the reason that parents hopefully instill and nurture in them to judge good from bad, and good men from bad men. Failure to encourage reason will lead to a dependence on emotion, which can easily be manipulated by the unscrupulous.

A liberal education once meant an education which frees the mind so that it can make rational decisions based on logic and reason, and not purely on emotion. It seems that today it is starting to mean the reverse.

There is a middle ground between blind trust and absolute cynicism, but if I were to have to stray towards one side or the other, I would choose cynicism, as that seems closer to the truth these days than whatever blind idealism that liberals or statists manufactor for us.

Tuor

92 posted on 08/05/2002 1:59:31 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: Tennessee_Bob
It is not a question of respect-it is a question of manipulation-Load yourself up- bring along Clinton,Gore and a damn garrison of the rich and powerful,then throw in a hundred or so lawyers and I will even go with you-but I say hell no,no more sacrificing the young and those who dont have the protection and know not any better. Vietnam and its sacrifice should have taught some of you how this country was being run and manipulated.For years I despised those that dodged the draft in Nam- but they are the ones running this country now and the ones who are in position to send our sons to die for them. You have to be crazy or uninformed.Hell the slaves were treated better than the average Joe that was in NAM!The military with a draft is nothing more than a form of enslaving the poor to fight the rich and powerfuls battle.The same is happening with Saddam & Bin Laden.
93 posted on 08/05/2002 3:42:34 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
I am a native of SC and I volunteered for the navy in 1962. Sounds like we might have a lot in common. I disagree though with your characterizing the South Carolina government as corrupt. That is far too mild a word. We need a whole new category. This state government has boldly ventured into areas of crookedness where no politician has ever gone before. How can a state be known as a stronghold of conservatism and keep electing Fritz Hollings?
94 posted on 08/05/2002 5:22:39 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: DAnconia55
The draft is immoral.

'Splain to me why you think a military draft is immoral.

And probably inefficient.

I agree there.

95 posted on 08/05/2002 5:31:48 AM PDT by metesky
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To: ex-snook
Aren't they lucky to get Clinton.

"In my opinion, you would be extremely fortunate if you get this man to fight for you...."

96 posted on 08/05/2002 5:38:56 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: The Duke
With regard to Saddam and nukes, I have no way of knowing whether he's a threat or not - because I've had no input from anyone I consider to be both informed and trustworthy

Perhaps because you are not privy to intelligence briefings. Earth to The Duke: You are not the center of the universe.

In the not too distant past, kings and princes fought and died in the wars they started. These days, the "kings and princes" probably don't even have a second cousin in uniform. That's a recipe for disater. Bring back the draft, with no deferments.

97 posted on 08/05/2002 5:54:03 AM PDT by arm958
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To: Gritty
Women have to be drafted also? Says who?

They don't have to register and we would not need to draft them.

98 posted on 08/05/2002 6:00:30 AM PDT by Norwell
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To: Tennessee_Bob
He served two tours in Vietnam as a medic.

No wonder you're proud of him. In WWII, medics were scorned in training, since many of them were conscientious objectors. When the bullets started flying, their comrades in arms began to understand that they were actually the bravest of the brave.

99 posted on 08/05/2002 6:04:18 AM PDT by arm958
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To: american spirit
Yes, only young men because for the most part they are the only ones physically capable of doing the job. The females are in the service primarily with the grace of a much lower physical training requirement.

The New York Fire Department requires the same physical abilities of both male and female applicants. The results? In a department of over 14,000 fire fighters, only 37 are female. Enough said.

100 posted on 08/05/2002 6:09:49 AM PDT by Norwell
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