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Those Who Hate Us (Muslim Americans)
Newsmax ^ | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 | Barry Farber

Posted on 07/31/2002 3:19:24 PM PDT by Michael2001

We've come along a bit since 9-11. In late June 2002, I was flying from New York to Toronto, and two gentlemen of much facial hair and full-dress Islamic attire were seated at the gate area ready to board.

Shortly after 9-11 their neo-terrorist appearance might have occasioned screams of protest, or at least a muffled moan or two, from the other passengers. Now there were just curious glances.

I was seated opposite them in the gate area and, when we boarded, it turned out we three were seatmates in one of the back rows. As a journalist, I wanted to talk to them, but I was hoping somehow they would start it. Sure enough, just after takeoff one of them asked if I had a pen.

I did, and I gave it to him. I addressed them politely in Arabic and they replied in Arabic.

I then asked where they were from. Bangladesh. I thereupon addressed them in their language, Bengali, and they seemed delighted. They didn't realize my Arabic was limited to six sentences and my Bengali to four. All they knew was, "Hey, this American speaks two Islamic languages."

I think that prompted the younger one, who spoke fluent English, to light into me in a way he would never had done if he hadn't classified me as an "unusual target." I suspect that's what broke the dam, or at least opened the floodgates, and prompted him to hit on me in earnest.

He was born in America but was now completely indistinguishable from a fundamentalist worshipper in the mosques of Dacca. It seemed a bit eerie discussing the World Cup and American football, which he'd played in his Queens high school, with someone Hollywood might cast as a hijacker, if his appearance weren't too cliché Hollywood.

It was a short flight, so he didn't let talk of football long delay his agenda.

"Do you understand why everybody in the world must be a Moslem?" he asked. I conceded I did not.

"The Jews loved Moses and accepted him as God's messenger," he said. "So when the new messenger, Jesus, appeared, the Jews were so locked into Moses they had no interest in Jesus.

"Then, when Jesus came," he continued, "his followers were so locked into Jesus they had no interest in the still newer messenger, Mohammed.

"This is the world's terrible mistake we Moslems must correct. God, Allah, wants us to hear and heed His latest messenger at all times. And His latest messenger is Mohammed."

I repeated the response William F. Buckley Jr. gave Beat poet Allen Ginsberg when Ginsberg interrupted Buckley on his TV show and asked if he'd like to hear a poem he'd written under the influence of LSD on a mountaintop in Nepal.

After Buckley's ill-concealed agony listening to what sounded exactly like a poem written under the influence of LSD on a Nepalese mountaintop, Buckley smiled at Ginsberg and said simply, "Nice. Nice!"

My new Islamic friend then asked to what religion I belonged.

"I'm Jewish," I said.

He leaned in and said, "Your ancient rabbis deleted the prophecy about the coming of Mohammed from the Torah."

"Beg pardon?" I said.

"It's well known, " he said. "Your Torah clearly told of the arrival of 'Achmed.' Achmed is the same name as Mohammed."

"How do you know all this?" I asked.

"Why, it's all there. It's all there," he replied, implying it was all fully documented in places where only the most venal religious villain could deny it. Yet he never quite specified where those corrobatory documents resided.

What about 9-11?

He answered with an annoyed confidence that suggested one of the crescents he was fated to bear was putting up with illiterate infidels who still don't know who staged 9-11.

"It was all arranged by the United States government," he said. "Your government needed 9-11 as an excuse to take Afghanistan," he said.

"How do you know?"

"It's all there. It's all there, my friend. All you have to do is read." Again he failed to say what it was that had to be read.

"Are you saying we Americans ourselves staged that attack?" I asked.

"Of course," he replied. "Cheney and Enron had tried to negotiate deals with the Taliban prior to 9-11. This administration decided it needed a pretext to take over Afghanistan when the Taliban refused to roll over to your demands. 9-11 had to precede an American conquest of Afghanistan."

He took advantage of my bewildered silence to "corroborate" his claim. "It's all there," he said. "You just have to read it. It's all there."

My thoughts as we landed in Toronto revolved around how little we have to travel nowadays to hear grotesquery presented as history.

I had to go all the way to Yugoslavia in 1951 to hear that the workers of America envied the Tito twist on communism and were preparing revolution to copy it.

I had to go all the way to Moscow in 1956 to hear that "South Korea started the Korean War by attacking North Korea in June 1950, but the action was soon transferred southward."

But I wouldn't have had to leave the Air Canada lounge at LaGuardia Airport to learn that corrupt rabbis had censored the arrival of the Prophet Mohammed from the Torah, that Jews and Christians had to be liberated from their spiritual blindness, freeing everybody in the world to become Moslem, and that President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Enron had failed to negotiate what they wanted from Taliban Afghanistan, so they had to stage 9-11 as a pretext to go in and take it.

I liked political and religious insanity better when I had to cross an ocean or two and an Iron Curtain to get it from the expectably indoctrinated.

Arguing rationally with such a person is rather like dropping honeysuckles down the Grand Canyon and waiting for an echo. Parents whose small children have been mind-poisoned by the other parent are equipped to feel that particular kind of frustration.

A classic movie made in 1944, "Tomorrow the World," dealt with an obnoxious member of the Hitler Youth, played brilliantly by Skippy Homeier. In the movie, his parents sent him, against his violent objections, from Germany to live with relatives in the United States. He immediately began to spread his Hitler-hate throughout the schoolyard and interrupted his democracy-loving teachers with lectures of Aryan supremacy.

The denouement was his assault in the playground on a Polish kid he called a "stupid inferior Slav" who thereupon handily beat the hog-hell out of the little Nazi. (Hollywood was too skittish in those days to make the triumphant kid Jewish!)

This encounter left me aware of what I can only call my incompleteness. I can easily imagine a Hitler Youth spouting Nazi hate in a New Jersey classroom in 1944. I can easily imagine Yugoslav Communist students parroting the absurdities of their dictatorship to a visiting American in 1951.

My Moslem seatmate, however, was raised in the USA. His Christian and Jewish classmates may have cheered him as he ran for touchdowns in Queens. Nothing in my experience has prepared me to have such people hate America.

When a foreigner has a terrible experience at the hands of an American, we know America can't count on the affection and allegiance of that one abused foreigner. When people who don't know America are force-fed the worst about us, we can understand their antipathy.

What's scary is when sizable numbers of those who know us full well hate us nonetheless.

I had the feeling that the only praise this young man had for America is what a great job we did on ourselves on 9-11. And I evaluated his commitment to defend America as roughly equal to that of a Swedish tourist on a Caribbean vacation to defend Barbados.

Any enemy of the United States after Pearl Harbor would have had a terrible time trying to find Americans willing to harm America, even in the German, Japanese and Italian communities.

That may not be such a "Mission Impossible" today in our Islamic communities.

Those Moslem seatmates of mine are perfectly free to hate America.

All we're free to do, if I understand our Constitution, is hope they don't amount to much.

And that may not be enough.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arab; arabs; clashofcivilizatio; islam; islamic; jihadinamerica; muslims; taqiyyalist
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To: Tasha
I'm not saying lock them all up...

I'm saying that I want to hear a collective voice of Muslim-Americans saying they do not condone what happened Sept 11 and that their religion does not condone Jihad in order to further Islam and their Arabic political agendas. (The problem is that it does.)

The collective silence speaks volumes to me: that deep down, they do condone it because it is very much part of their belief system. When Pro-West Muslims come forward, then we can all go PC Warm and Fuzzy and accept them into the Multi-Cultural Quilt we call America - just like we do with every other cultural/religious group in this nation.

81 posted on 07/31/2002 7:49:38 PM PDT by Dasaji
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To: Tasha
How funny it is- a hundread thousand Jews in Nazi uniforms destroying their brothers and sisters just for the chance to survive. This happened and that's the reality of human nature.

WTF? WTFF?

First the threat about 300,000 Muslim security guards in Chicago (LOL), and now this?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

82 posted on 07/31/2002 7:52:28 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: sarasmom
What you wrote doesn't make any sense. I'll make my point clear: There is no religion (or nationality) responsible for terrorism. Terrorism is an act. It does not belong to any particular religion or race. That's about all you can say. Anything else is just repetition.
And by the way, if you think you have a million men, that's what they told clinton after Waco. He said, what? A million cowards? Not on of them will do anything. He was wrong; one idiot blew up the Oklahoma City building, and he was a terrorist. But he wasn't Muslim. He was a homegrown, American coo coo.
83 posted on 07/31/2002 7:53:09 PM PDT by Tasha
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To: tictoc
Not that long ago on the Fox Channel, Rita Cosby interviewed a Jewish SS officer, and the author of a book who claimed that 100,000 Jews were serving in the Nazi army.
84 posted on 07/31/2002 7:54:53 PM PDT by Tasha
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To: Tasha
Muslims are guarding almost every apartment complex in Chicago.

If it's true, it's something like a Florida Flying School for the 9/11 terrorists but of much bigger scale. Chicago as a huge training camp for a future Musli militia? Hmmm, sounds crazy but not totally impossible.

85 posted on 07/31/2002 7:55:26 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: sarasmom
I have easily co-existed with Christians,Jews,Pagans,Hindu's,Buddhists,Deists,Agnostics, Atheists, Wiccans,and those who subscribe to alternative reality theories.

None of the above advocate my physical death due to my unbelief.

Islam stands alone.

I second that notion...you so eloquently put into words what I wanted to add here.

86 posted on 07/31/2002 7:56:44 PM PDT by Dasaji
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To: tictoc
Tasha is a muslim, what do you expect, the truth?
87 posted on 07/31/2002 7:56:45 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Tasha
...not all Muslims are bad, and we are not fighting a war against Muslims or Islam. We are fighting the war against terrorists. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Clumsy and utterly unsuccessful try. Try again.

88 posted on 07/31/2002 7:57:48 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: Dasaji
You're not going to hear anything from Muslims. They're waiting to be attacked, they want to be victims. Then every newspaper in Europe will call America a Nazi country. Many of them are already doing it. They hope this will destroy President Bush and his administrtaion. It's a poker game. If we make a mistake, we will lose Wall Street, trade, wealth, and leadership.
89 posted on 07/31/2002 7:58:30 PM PDT by Tasha
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To: Tasha
Well, let's try it. After 20 or 30 years, if it doesn't cut down the terrorism, I guess we could try something else.
90 posted on 07/31/2002 7:59:03 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: babygene
No, Tasha is not a Muslim. I haven't even talked to a Muslim in the past year or two. But they say, if people don't know what to say, they'll fantasize.
91 posted on 07/31/2002 8:00:20 PM PDT by Tasha
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To: BlazingArizona
The houses owned by a real estate tycoon are not all alike, either. But the owner is the same, and when he pulls their chain, they will do his bidding in the end.
92 posted on 07/31/2002 8:00:46 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Tasha
a hundread thousand Jews in Nazi uniforms What's this?! Your vision? Be careful with your pills girl.
93 posted on 07/31/2002 8:06:37 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: Tasha
Just another garden variety head up her hindquarters Joooooo basher. Nothing new but she really sounds more like the kumbaya singing leftists that are all over the place "Moslems are niiiiiicee! Islam is a religion of...." I have a different ending to the latter but it would be bannable.

94 posted on 07/31/2002 8:06:38 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Michael2001
"This is the world's terrible mistake we Moslems must correct. God, Allah, wants us to hear and heed His latest messenger at all times. And His latest messenger is Mohammed."

PURE BULLSPLATTER! ......So ALLAH wishes all who dont beleive dead ? 1st] jews didnt worship MOSES they followed him he led them to jesus just more proof that ALLAH is .....PURE BULLSPLATTER

Explain to me how jesus went to hell and aquired the keys to death hell and the grave from satan and returned as proof to those who beleive while Mohammed just died and went to hell!

PURE BULLSPLATTER

95 posted on 07/31/2002 8:06:47 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: mathurine
The Spaniards have been trying for the past 40 years, or more. No success so far. Buildings are still being blown up, and the Basques are killing, from time to time, Spanish citizens.
The war on terror is a very difficult war. It has been going on in Europe for a long, long time. It is not a one year event, and then politicians can claim victory. The best example would be Spain and the Basques. Do some reading about it. Or Italy and the Red Brigades. Or the IRA and Ireland and the UK. It goes on and on.
96 posted on 07/31/2002 8:07:09 PM PDT by Tasha
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To: Johnny Shear
Of course not-- NOW! To hold any position of consequence now, one must toe the line of political correctness to the millimeter, to the hairbreadth.

The question is: will that worm ever turn, and if so when and under what conditions.

My posts contain the underlying assumption that the actions of the Islamists will be what does the trick, and then to be "politically correct" will have another meaning entirely from what it does now. We have already established that monopolies of power and even employment may be granted to those holding a particular favored view. All we need is to change what view is favored.

We have already established that to award out economic opportunities by race is not only good, but required. All we need now, is to change what race(s) are to be favored.

98 posted on 07/31/2002 8:11:35 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Admin Moderator
Moderator, please review #70 and other posts in thread by Tasha.
99 posted on 07/31/2002 8:13:56 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: Burr5
we didn't DEPORT all German-Americans during WWII OK, I'll be a buddy: don't deport ALL American Muslims. But my proposition of "good ones to good coffins, bad ones to lousy ones" still stays...:-))
100 posted on 07/31/2002 8:15:08 PM PDT by Neophyte
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