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Wildfire News Fires burning on more than 272,000 acres across Oregon
Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 7/29/2002 | The Associated Press

Posted on 07/29/2002 6:19:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Wildfire News Fires burning on more than 272,000 acres across Oregon

The Associated Press 7/29/02 1:03 AM

Major wildfires were burning on 272,422 acres in Oregon on Sunday. About 12,503 firefighters are working in the state. The Northwest Interagency Communication Center is tracking at least 15 major fires in Oregon. Top priorities for fire officials were the Cache Mountain fire, Sheldon Ridge fire and Biscuit-Florence-Sour fire.

WHITE RIVER

Started: 7/23/02, one mile east of Maupin

Size: 25,000 acres

Containment: 95 percent.

Evacuations: mandatory evacuation of White River campground 7/24/02; Bake Oven Road and Buckhollow Road reopened, 7/27/02. Lower Deschutes River now open.

Damage: Unknown.

On scene: 140 people

Cause: Lightning strikes

Threatened: 100 homes, 50 business, 200 outbuildings

SKUNK FIRE:

Started: 7/24/2002, Klamath County, north of Sprague River.

Size: 2,400 acres

Evacuations: Moccasin Hill and Klamath Forest Estates subdivisions

Damage: 50 homes, 5 business, 30 outbuildings threatened, one outbuilding destroyed.

Containment: 70 percent containment.

On scene: 506 people.

Cause: Lightning strikes.

SWAMP CREEK

Started 7/24/02, 4 miles northwest of Diamond.

Size: 320 acres.

Containment: 100 percent.

Evacuations: Threatened resources include Diamond Craters Research Natural Area, scattered outbuildings, ranches and livestock.

Damage: Unknown so far.

On scene: 48 people.

Cause: Lightning strikes.

CACHE MOUNTAIN:

Started: 7/24/02, 15 miles northwest of Sisters, Oregon

Size: 3,700 acres.

Containment: 25 percent.

Evacuations: Camp Tamarack, mandatory evacuation. 7/25/02.

Damage: Fire has spread to Weyerhaeuser land. 7/25/02.

On scene: 459 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

Evacuation: full evacuation of Black Butte Ranch, about 4,000 people. Two houses burned. Highway 20 closed between Santiam Pass and Sisters.

SHELDON RIDGE:

Started: 7/24/02, 3 miles southwest of The Dalles.

Size: 12,117 acres

Containment: 60 percent

Evacuations: Voluntary evacuation of at least 250 homes.

Damage: Two outbuildings destroyed, one home damaged.

On scene: 428 firefigters, 125 Oregon National Guard troops.

Cause: Lightning.

WINTER-TOOLBOX FIRES

Started: in Lake County 07/12/02 and merged 7/20/02.

Size: 35,233 (both fires combined)

Containment: 85 percent (Toolbox); 55 percent (Winter)

Evacuations: Voluntary evacuations of 85 homes.

Damage: None reported.

On scene: 1,487 (both fires combined)

Cause: Lightning.

EYERLY COMPLEX

Started: 15 miles NE of Camp Sherman, 07/09/02.

Size: 23,573 acres.

Containment: 100 percent.

Evacuations: 280 homes asked to voluntarily evacuate last week.

Damage: 18 houses destroyed.

On scene: 949 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

MALHEUR COMPLEX

Started: 8-25 miles from Prairie City, 07/12/02.

Size: 24,100 acres.

Containment: 30 percent.

Evacuations: No mandatory evacuation, but 52 residences and 13 commercial properties and 196 outbuildings are threatened. A historic home, Austin House, is 4 miles from the fire.

Damage: None.

On scene: 1,752 firefighters

Cause: Lightning

TILLER COMPLEX

Started: Outside Tiller, east of Canyonville off Interstate 5, 07/12/02.

Size: 15,092 acres.

Containment: 25 percent

Evacuations: South Umpqua Road closed at milepost 6. Five homes in Ash Valley threatened. Tribal ceremonial grounds and critical cultural resources are threatened.

Damage: No listed damage.

On scene: 1,363 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

NORTH UMPQUA COMPLEX

Started: 25 miles east of Glide, 07/12/02.

Size: 1,278 acres.

Containment: 50 percent.

Evacuations: 20 residences threatened, one business and 10 outbuildings. Historical resources, cultural sites threatened.

Damage: None.

On Scene: 613 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

MONUMENT FIRE

Started: 9 miles southwest of Unity, 07/12/02

Size: 24,046 acres

Containment: 70 percent.

Evacuations: 75 residences threatened, plus five commercial buildings and ten outbuildings.

Damage: Major power outages 7/25/02. Severe damage to computers and data management at fire camp.

On Scene: 1,283 firefighters, military battalion from Topeka, Kansas in place.

Cause: Lightning.

747/MURRAY COMPLEX

Started: Northeast of Paulina in Black Canyon Wilderness, 07/13/22.

Size: 11,739 acres

Containment: 50 percent.

Evacuations: No evacuations; Four homes and eight outbuildings threatened.

Damage: Road closures.

On scene: 906 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

BISCUIT-FLORENCE-SOUR BISCUIT COMPLEX

Started: 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction, 07/13/02.

Size: 31,000 acres

Containment: 5 percent.

Evacuations: Threatened resources are 13 private residences, 36 outbuildings of Oak Flats. Fire jumped the Illinois River 7/25/02. Cloud cover on 7/26/02 prevented airborne attacks.

Damage: 3 residences and 8 outbuildings..

On scene: 863 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

TIMBERED ROCK FIRE

Started: Unknown. 20 miles north of Medford.

Size: 9,000 acres

Containment: 10 percent

Evacuations: None

Damage: None

On Scene: 422 firefighters

Cause: lightning

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Source: The Northwest Interagency Coordination Center


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To: Carry_Okie
Fascism is Communism with some spin thrown in to keep the moneyed in step.

EBUCK

41 posted on 07/29/2002 10:14:16 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
Good morning Dave, highway 20 is closed from Santiam Pass to Sisters. 242 (ols Mckenzie highway) is open but only to cars, SUV's and pickups, larger vehicles are to use highway 58.

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!
42 posted on 07/29/2002 10:22:49 AM PDT by blackie
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To: EBUCK
Welcome back Buckster !!
43 posted on 07/29/2002 10:23:35 AM PDT by blackie
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To: EBUCK
Fascism is Communism with some spin thrown in to keep the moneyed in step.

Is that an observation of historical fact or a personal conclusion?

Sorry, but the original funding for Marx and his misbegotten ilk speak to the contrary (the Rothschilds among others). Communism has always been a ploy of the moneyed elite to sucker in the working class and stupid intellectuals. There is some very obscure and interesting history in late 19th Century Germany on the origins of both Communism and Fascism. Not a few wealthy American intellectuals (primarily Scottish Rite Masons) studied under these folks just prior to the Civil War (including the family of our current President, BTW). I swapped a fair amount of info on that one with CommiesOut before he died.

44 posted on 07/29/2002 10:26:01 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: EBUCK
We have the same rat rep...sigh...

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!
45 posted on 07/29/2002 10:27:20 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Carry_Okie
Personal Conclusion. The only real difference that I see is that the Facists (In Germany) understood that the means of production cannot be completely state run. So their solution was to regulate the heck out of production while leaving the owners/operator with a "sense" of ownership even though none existed in reality. Communists didn't/don't care for the smoke screen prefering to just take it all.

EBUCK

46 posted on 07/29/2002 10:39:04 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: blackie
Hey thanks man! Didn't see any wild fires this weekend but my legs are burn nonetheless (crispy is probably a better term).

Almost lost my wife to an undertow!!!! I dove in and saved her...Now I'm a big Hero!! (to her at least)

EBUCK

47 posted on 07/29/2002 10:41:21 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
"This is fascism and not capitalism!"

Absolutely. Control over how much food we are allowed, how much energy we can use, how much wood we can use to heat our homes OR build them seems to be their ultimate aim.

After only a few in the elite class control all of these things, without fear of competition, they can use convenient "shortages" to up prices every time the working class gets out of line.

48 posted on 07/29/2002 10:41:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: EBUCK
Yep. Communism is man against man. Fascism is the other way around.
49 posted on 07/29/2002 10:45:55 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
IMO Fascism is Communism with a capitalist propo-spin. But I could be wrong, it could be socialism with an authoritarian spin.

EBUCK

50 posted on 07/29/2002 10:52:25 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
They make sun-block ya know... :o)

Congratulations on saving your wife's life, good job !!

This is off topic, I thought you might be interested.

The Oregon State Fair bureaucrats were going to ban citizens with concealed carry licenses from attending the Fair, OFF sued and we wrote letters and called the un-fair gang...

Here's the update:

OFF.

OFF ALERT 7/29/02

CONGRATULATIONS!

The State Fair felt the heat and saw the light. Thank you for all your efforts.

This morning at 8:15, OFF attorney Kris Roggendorf called to let us know that the State Fair has agreed to reverse its illegal policy of baring gun owners with CHLS.

Kris had been called by Mark Williams from the Attorney Generals office this morning at 8 am.

We had promised legal action by 8:30.

In the end, your efforts carried the day. A combination of talk radio, the threat of a lawsuit by OFF and good old fashion grass roots activism convinced the bureaucrats that even they had to obey the law.

Take a moment to pat yourself on the back. While we are offended that it's necessary for you to have to demand that state agencies obey the law, we're pleased at the outcome.

Everyone will be a lot safer thanks to your help.

As you know, our lawsuit against the City of Portland continues and we hope to have news on that issue soon. Meanwhile, congratulations on a job well done.

51 posted on 07/29/2002 10:55:03 AM PDT by blackie
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To: blackie
Yah, I knew about that and I sent a letter to the DA a while back after I got an alery from a Keep and Bear arms buddy. Congrats are deserved all around on that one. Have you seen the Gun control vid linked to their home page? I posted it here and I think I pinged you to it as well.

EBUCK

52 posted on 07/29/2002 10:59:30 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
You know, to me, there really is no glaring ideolgial difference between Communism, Fascism, Marxist Socialism or plain old Socialism...BUT...

Since the environazis seem to be most frequently plaguerizing Trotsky, I guess it'd be in our best interests to contunue exploring the similarities of the entire Third Way movement - which the Greenies and Seirra Club types, as well as their overseers, the UN are a part of - and Marxist/Stalinist philosophy.

Their tactics and their statements have changed little in the past century.

53 posted on 07/29/2002 11:02:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave
...Come to think of it, Trotskey didn't make much distinction between Socialism, Communism and Marxism either...

"Should America go communist as a result of the difficulties and problems that your capitalist social order is unable to solve, it will discover that communism, far from being an intolerable bureaucratic tyranny and individual regimentation, will be the means of greater individual liberty and shared abundance" -- Leon Trotsky, Liberty, 1935

The above quote came from a chapter called If America Should Go Communist

He sleaks glowingly of a wonderful new "soviet America". I assume he means that the wonderful part will come after the need for dictatorship. Anyhow, it's scary stuff, because kids are studying this stuff in college. And they are IMPLIMENTING it.

54 posted on 07/29/2002 11:16:58 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: EBUCK
I get alerts from OFF and GOA.

I was a little slow in responding on this one... :o)

55 posted on 07/29/2002 11:34:11 AM PDT by blackie
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To: EBUCK
"IMO Fascism is Communism with a capitalist propo-spin. But I could be wrong, it could be socialism with an authoritarian spin"

Actually, I think Communism is socialist authoritarianism with a capitalist spin....so Fascism is probably capitalism with a spin on socialist capitalist authoritarianism....I am getting confused.

56 posted on 07/29/2002 11:34:57 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Well then, wouldn't capitalism just be anarchy with a socialist spin? Now I'm confused too....spin wash, hang dry..

EBUCK

57 posted on 07/29/2002 11:48:53 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave; All
Thanks for the ping!
Also, you don't know how much I appreciate the fire threads you post, as well as the contributions by others here.

I'm doing heavy duty babysitting now, and the kids just don't appreciate any channel other than Nick, Disney, and Cartoon Channel.
Heck, I haven't even read the paper, yet.
It's nice to log in here and mingle with adults...
for a few, precious minutes, anyway! ;o)

58 posted on 07/29/2002 11:50:01 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Salvation; Archie Bunker on steroids
Thanks, this is scary stuff!

GRANTS PASS - US 199 South, the main highway linking southern Oregon and northern California, has been closed because of the wildfires raging in the area.

Officials say the roadway, also known as the Redwood Highway, will remain closed for 24 hours or longer. It is closed from the Oregon-California border to Jedediah State Park.

Two major fires, known as the Bisquit Complex, are burning tens of thousands of acres of timberland west of Grants Pass. Residents of the town of Selma and the Illinois Valley are under evacuation notice, and the towns of Gasquet and Hiouchi are also threatened.

Grampa Dave has been warning people to watch this fire for about two weeks now. The Green Jihadists have made this area their prime no road, no dead trees removed, no nothing removed and of course no brush thinning for a decade. This has made this entire area into a tinder box waiting to start burning out of control. That is what has happened with basically zero control for about 2 weeks now.

59 posted on 07/29/2002 12:57:52 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000
Isn't amazing how those dear little grand children can wear a Grandma and Grampa right down to collaspe on the couch.

My Grand daughter has not let me watch what I want to watch on TV since she was able to walk up the tv and hit the off button.

To her credit, she doesn't want to watch tv if I or her grandmother are around.

Last time we went down to visit and combo baby sit, she was in her parents bedroom laying on the bed watching some cartoon show. Her mother said that she did want to leave that program.

I went up an said "Hi, don't you want to go outside and play!". She was off the bed like a rocket and turned off the tv and ran and jumped into my arms screaming "Lets go outside and play!"

Her mother was stunned. I said the answer was simple, she just wanted her daughter to stay in the house while she got ready to go. So we were seeing some massive resistance.
60 posted on 07/29/2002 1:06:54 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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