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I hope that Joe, his family and his employees are safe and stay safe.

However, the state of Oregon has been burning up, and this eco terrorism has been basically ignored here on Free Republic. It is like who cares, only the fruit cakes in Oregon and California are having these fires.

Maybe now another dozen or so Freepers will wake up to the critical problem going on in Oregon, California and other western states thanks to the Druid Agendas of the Green Jihadists.

There are 17,000 other people at risk due to these two fires: ( Wildland firefighters battled to keep a 30-mile-long wall of fire from reaching the Illinois Valley on Monday where 17,000 people were warned to get ready to flee)

Up to now, those 17,000 other innocent people have been basically ignored by most Free Republic pingers and readers.

Now maybe we can get another 10 to 12 concerned Freepers re "Is Oregon Burning?".

Here is the last real status on the fire that is threatening 17,000 innocent Orgonians and Farah's people. The update from WND is woefully out of date:

As the 70,000 acre Florence fire roared south toward the 20,000-acre Sour Biscuit blaze, firefighters dug a last-ditch fire line stretching along the western edge of the valley and southwestern Oregon communities.

Sixteen bulldozers worked the line on the steep ridges west of Woodrat, Tennessee and Eight Dollar mountains while 14 more wait along U.S. 199 in Selma, awaiting orders to join the fire fight.

I heard by phone this morning that the combined burn acreage of these two fires is over 100,000 acres or 156.25 square miles or an area 78 by 78 miles has burned with about 30 people on Free Republic even aware or caring about it and most important the 17,000 innocent women, children and men in that area who are in Harm's Way!

Firefighters are preparing to set a 34,000-acre backfire that would be larger than most of the other fires being fought in Oregon.

John a 34,000 acre backfire is an area equal to 53.125 square miles or bigger than a square 7 miles by 7 miles. Most cities don't occupy that much space. "We are running dozers 24 hours a day," said Rick Hartigan of the Arizona Central West Zone Incident Management Team overseeing the firefighting.

Up to now, those 17,000 other innocent people have been basically ignored by most Free Republic pingers and readers.

Been with ya since the git go on this topic Dave. Keep up the good pings and posts.

This is one evil looking fire, and yes, I read it all in yesterday's 30 mile thread.

Here is the updated Summary Table-7-30-02 Check the total number of acres in Oregon!

Fire Information Summary
Oregon Fire Information
Unit	Fire Name	Agency	Location	Acres	Crw-1	Crw-2	Engs.	Hel-1	Hel-2	Hel-3	Team	People	Injuries	% Contained	Cause	Remarks
OR-MAF	Flagtail-Malheur Complex	USFS	8 to 25 miles from Prairie City, OR	24,200	3	45	69	3	3	2	Type 1	1,635		30%	Lightning	With the exception of the southwest portion of the fire, all smokes are well within the interior. Some torching was observed with a few spots outside the line. With the stronger projected winds and large pockets of unburned fuel found in the south drainages, growth potential is high. (1800, 7/29)
OR-UPF	Tiller Complex	USFS	Tiller R.D.	18,655		49	54	1	1	1	Type 2	1,359		25%	Lightning	Light morning inversion lifted over the complex at approximately 1000, fire behavior increased around 1500 hours. Anticipated fire growth will continue on all staffed and unstaffed fires, with estimates up to 3000 acres on unstaffed and 300 on staffed fires. Successful morning understory burnout operations continues to aid in perimeter control of some smaller fires. Road closures still in effect for the South Umpqua Road starting at mile marker 6 east of Tiller. (1745, 7/29)
OR-MAF	Monument	USFS	9 miles SW of Unity, OR	24,435	4	28	21	6	2	2	Type 1	1,233		100%	Lightning	No significant fire behavior due to moderating weather. Interior continues to burnout. Operational objectives: Hold and improve existing line. Rehab of existing line. (1800, 7/29)
OR-FRF	Tool Box Complex	USFS	10 miles S of Silver Lake, OR	86,794	4	31	93	2	4	1	Type 1	1,558		65%	Lightning	Fire activity was restricted to individual torching of trees within fire perimeter. The structure protection group is on standby to assist residents as needed and initial action resource have been identified for response. (0700, 7/30)
OR-ORS97	Winter	ODF	10 miles NW of Paisley, OR	35,779		43	45	1	2	1	Type 1	1,393		95%	Lightning	The fire is quiet. Fire lines are holding and mop-up has reached an average of 150 ft. inside the lines. (0800, 7/30)
OR-SIF	Florence	USFS	26 miles west of Grants Pass, 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction	71,000	2	23	38	2	2	2	Type 2	988		5%	Lightning	Extreme burning conditions and fire behavior, steep slopes, inaccessible terrain with too few anchor points and safety zones, and lack of resources are hampering suppression efforts. The entire Illinois River Valley is under a 24- or 48-hour evacuation advisory. Some residents and businesses have been advised to be ready to evacuate with 30 minutes notice.(1800, 7/29)
OR-SIF	Sour Biscuit	USFS	17 Miles SW of Cave Junction	25,700		12	13				Type 2	373		0%	Lightning	The fire expanded markedly overnight with high winds, moving the fire east, west, and significantly to the south. Torching, spotting, and significant runs occurred. The fires has moved over six miles into California. High winds are again blowing and an additional increase can be expected when the fire is flown this evening (1800, 7/29)
OR-UPF	North Umpqua Complex	USFS	25 Miles east of Glide near town of Dry Creek	1,749	2	16	12	2	2	1	Type 2	610		80%	Lightning	Active fire behavior, short runs and short-range spotting. Flame lengths of 2 to 5 feet with some torching was observed. Difficult terrain is making progress slow. (0700, 7/30)
OR-OCF	747	USFS	12 miles south of Dayville	17,266		18	29	1		1	Type 1	653		80%	Lightning	Burn-out operations continue to go well with aerial ignition being used to reduce fuel concentrations inside control lines. Planning continues for transition to a Type 3 IMT. Murray Fire is 100% contained and the 747 is 75% contained (1630, 7/29)
OR-DEF	Cache Mtn.	USFS	15 miles NW of Sisters, OR	3700		24	26	2	1		Type2	731		60%	Lightning	The fire continued to burn actively on the south and east flank. Some torching and spotting observed but no crown fire development as of 1600. Significant progress made in all divisions, including mop up around the structures in the subdivision. Approximately 84 structures were saved by yesterday's suppression effort. All of the fire that jumped control lines yesterday and entered Black Butte Ranch Subdivision was lined by dozers. Significant progress made in all divisions, including mop up around the structures in the subdivision. Approximately 84 structures were saved by yesterday's suppression effort. Black Butte Ranch Subdivision remains evacuated. Highway 20 remains closed. The Red Cross shelter in Bend remains open. (1800, 7/29)
OR-PRD	White River	BLM	1/4 mile E of Maupin	25,000						1	Type 3	14		100%	Lightning	Fire is contained and in a mop-up, patrol status. (2015, 7/28)
OR-WNF	Skunk	USFS	N of Sprague River	2,544	2	12	24	1		2	Type2	441		80%	Lightning	Observed fire behavior was creeping and smoldering. Good mop-up progress was made today on all divisions. Suppression rehabilitation has been started on some portions of the fire.(1800, 7/29)
OR-ORS	Sheldon Ridge	State	7 miles S of Moser	12,761		18	37	4	3	1	Type 1	660		80%	Lightning	Active burning in evening, slower burning, smoldering late at night. Acreage growth due mainly to more accurate mapping. Evacuations of the Browns Cr., Wells Cr., Cherry Heights, Mill Cr. areas are lifted as of 2000 hours today. (0700, 7/30)
OR-ORS	Timbered Rock	State	15 miles N of Shady Cove	13,450		38	44	8	3	2	Type 1	988		20%	Lightning	Active fire behavior began in early evening hours and lasted late into night shift due to high winds and thermal belt. Additional road closures and evacuations planning as well as planned shut down of power lines in the path of the fire. Plans in place for the closure of Highway 62 if necessary. (0800, 7/30)
Oregon Totals				363,033	17	357	505	33	23	17		13,141
Washington Fires
Unit	Fire Name	Agency	Location	Acres	Crw-1	Crw-2	Engs.	Hel-1	Hel-2	Hel-3	Team	People	Injuries	% Contained	Cause	Remarks
WA-WEF	Deer Point	USFS	27 miles N of Chelan	35,791	9	18	44	4	3	2	Type 1	1,082		45%	Unattended Camp Fire	Winds moderated today as low live and dead fuel moistures are still allowing short surface runs, torching, and short range spotting. Structures threatened are being reduced proportionally as control objectives are met. (1500, 7/29)
WA-DNR	Pickens	State	5 miles N of Tonasket	2,338		40	46		9		Type2	181		100%		Fire activity was minimal, smoldering with an occasional flare-up. Good progress was made toward reaching containment. Resources were holding control lines. (1800, 7/28)
Washington Totals				38,199	9	58	90	4	12	2		1,263
2-State totals				401,162	26	415	595	37	35	19		14,404

This site last updated: 07/30/02 11:30 AM (NOTE: not every fire is updated each time the site is updated, but only as new information is received. Call the Information Desk with questions.) This website is provided as assistance to media outlets requiring statistical information related to the wildland fires in the states of Oregon and Washington. Active fire behavior, especially during period of increased wind conditions will cause increase burned acreage that may not reflect accurately " on the ground situation". Please note that the data and situation reports are based on formal incident summaries and situations reported locally may not yet be included or has not been validated for this summary. Evacuation questions should be directed to state or local Emergency Operation Centers (EOC) for verification. It is advised that media consult the data provided and then call the Information Desk for more specific, detailed information on the fire situation, It will be periodically updated by the Public Information staff at NWCC. Specific information may be gained through calling the NWCC Information Desk at (503) 808-2764.

Grampa Dave, I care, and I live in Georgia. I suppose that being from a forest-rich state has something to do with it. I know western states are unique in that their forest cover is not uniform. For example, forest cover is kept to west of the Cascades, for the rain shadow on the leeward side prohibits forest growth. However, there is a small portion of forest in eastern Oregon.

I like the great outdoors, but I also value private property rights, viewing it as what makes America great. The eco-terrorists wish for no one to have private property rights and for everyone to be living in tight, clustered cities. The city of Portland, Oregon is one of the most regulated/zoned/planned cities in the country, as the city government, along with a large contingent of local citizens, has fallen to the environmentalist agenda. Portland is the only major metropolitan area that I know of that has an urban growth boundary, of which developers must pay a fine if they are to build outside the boundary. As all the available land fills in within the boundary, it is expanded.

In college, I studied a little urban planning, and most planners are not environmentalists, though there are environmental planners. Most are merely interested in cities, freeways, buildings, etc., and like to have a say in which the city develops. I also see a need for some planning, as zero zoning results in mostly unlivable conditions. I'm of the opinion that a private resident should be able to have his zoning changed upon his request granted that it is not totally extreme (heavy industry right beside a neighborhood).

Back to the forest, I think that it is very unfortunate. It's awfully suspicious. Over the past three years, the number of forest fires have exploded, engulfing Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico, Idaho and California two years ago, to today engulfing Oregon, California, Arizona, Colorado and Utah.

I hope Mannix is going to use the tragedy of these horrible fires to talk some common sense to the people of Oregon and put people back to work in the woods cutting trees.