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Smart Case, July 27, 2002
07/27/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/26/2002 9:45:30 PM PDT by Jolly Green

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To: Utah Girl
Thanks for the welcome. This latest rash of abductions sure has us spooked. You made a good point, however. It's possible that such news did not necessarily reach everyone in the past.
21 posted on 07/27/2002 12:32:59 AM PDT by Soccer-Dad777
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To: seeker41
Rewriting the laws would be a great start!
22 posted on 07/27/2002 12:36:17 AM PDT by Soccer-Dad777
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To: Soccer-Dad777
I'm of the opinion that most of these monsters have done this kind of thing before and have served jail time. They just don't wake up one day and decide to be a "baby raper." These people must be eliminated from society for good. As for this seemingly rash of abductions/murders I'm just not sure if it's the media coverage or if its' really increased as much as it appears. My gut says it's increased of late, but that's my gut talking.
23 posted on 07/27/2002 12:41:16 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: seeker41
So true. This has also made me aware of my own naive tendencies in the past to give some of these folks the benefit of the doubt and believe that they can be rehabilitated and trusted. As we speak, my niece is being "stalked" by a man with a criminal past. My brother-in-law, a retired law enforcement official in town, and my sister had taken this druggie monster under their wing and tried to help him out. Even my parents had given him odd jobs and so forth, in a misguided attempt to mentor him. Our family (and the ex-con's!) is in a state of torment over this situation, with no where to turn. We've even alerted the state's attorney; the local MADD chapters, etc., but to no avail. He's protected by law until he lands himself in jail again, but at whose expense?
24 posted on 07/27/2002 12:57:03 AM PDT by Soccer-Dad777
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To: Utah Girl
My friend knows them!
25 posted on 07/27/2002 12:58:18 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: Soccer-Dad777
Buy and learn how to properly use a firearm, it's the only way to be sure. So sorry about your situation, many FReepers will see this thread and offer advice.
26 posted on 07/27/2002 1:00:50 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: seeker41
Never in my wildest dreams did I consider that until now.
27 posted on 07/27/2002 1:16:19 AM PDT by Soccer-Dad777
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To: Bella
Bella: I posted the following on yesterday's thread before I realized my error. Perhaps you could respond here. Thanks in advance. Iwo Jima


To: Bella

I would appreciate your thoughts on Jeannie Boylan's statements. I understand that she does not consider herself to be a "sketch artist" in that her artistic skills, while considerable, pale in significance relative to her interviewing techniques. Her forte is her ability to draw people out to remember things which they never thought they knew or might have even adamantly denied that they knew. She uses her very warm and compelling personality to do this.

I read her remarks to Katie Couric to be a very subtle and diplomatic way of saying that sketches are extremely important and the earlier the better, but that a sketch done wrong -- by your run-of-the-mill "sketch artist" --often does more harm than good. Therefore, she was pleased to see THAT NO SKETCH HAD EVER BEEN DONE or maybe even that MK had not really been interivewed. She was able to get very good information because no one had been there to poison the well, so to speak.

I don't think that she is saying at all that it was a good thing that no sketch had ever been done. If she had been allowed to do a sketch from the outset, it makes you want to cry just thinking what a difference that could have made. But the SLC police would have probably botched the interview and the sketch just like they have apparently botched so many things.

The family should have listened to Mark Klaas.


204 posted on 7/27/02 4:01 AM Pacific by Iwo Jima

28 posted on 07/27/2002 4:11:02 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Soccer-Dad777
I don't believe that the Smart family is involved in any way whatsoever. I'm sure that any one of us would be picked apart in the same way, should we be so unfortunate to be thrust on the national media stage in so vulnerable a condition. How sad this whole thing is. What's wrong with our society, and how many times do we have to wake up to news of another innocent child dragged out of his or her home and subjected to God-knows-what torture?

Very well said. We have a lot of people in this society who don't pay attention to real facts. Take a look at the bozo above asking if their were fingerprints of Richard Allen Davis. Wasn't he convicted of the Polly Klaas murder and hasn't he been behind bars for ten years? VERY, VERY LAME.

29 posted on 07/27/2002 5:11:21 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Very well said. We have a lot of people in this society who don't pay attention to real facts. Take a look at the bozo above asking if their were fingerprints of Richard Allen Davis. Wasn't he convicted of the Polly Klaas murder and hasn't he been behind bars for ten years? VERY, VERY LAME.

I don't know why you have to be so rude. Whoever asked about Davis obviously doesn't follow the cases as close as the rest on the board. He asked a legitimate question and just wanted an answer. No reason to call the poster a bozo.

30 posted on 07/27/2002 6:04:10 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Partisan Hack
Richard Walker, a forensic psychologist on Fox just made a staement about the Smart case. He said that it would be very surprising for a career burgarlar to wear light clothing on a job. This is a very good point.

He also mentioned the window issue and the sketch artist issue.

31 posted on 07/27/2002 6:14:06 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Soccer-Dad777
So true. This has also made me aware of my own naive tendencies in the past to give some of these folks the benefit of the doubt and believe that they can be rehabilitated and trusted.

You liberals have caused more crime, pain and death than any other element of society.
32 posted on 07/27/2002 6:38:36 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Soccer-Dad777
This latest rash of abductions sure has us spooked.

There is no rash of abductions. There is a rash of media coverage. There were a hundred million girls not abducted yesterday. The media is not a true window to the world. It is a tabloid manipulator of people's emotions. And if you don't think emotions are being manipulated, look through these threads.
33 posted on 07/27/2002 6:42:02 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Jolly Green
Take a look at the bozo

This kind of personal attack reduces the entire level of dialogue immediately.
34 posted on 07/27/2002 6:45:56 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Vinomori
Didn't you just attack another poster by saying:

"You liberals have caused more crime, pain and death than any other element of society."

It sounds like you are blaming all of these abductions on his former political beleifs. Is that what you were saying?

At least Jolly attacked somebody who is not even on the boards, but from an email. Jolly is right, that email just lost all credibility and is just dribble because they could not even name the correct suspect. Makes it sound like they haven't been following this case as well as they think they have.
35 posted on 07/27/2002 7:41:00 AM PDT by Rad_J
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To: Rad_J
Didn't you just attack another poster by saying: "You liberals have caused more crime, pain and death than any other element of society."

You make a very good point. I wish I had said, "In my opinion, liberals have caused....etc."
36 posted on 07/27/2002 8:25:10 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Vinomori
June 9, 2002

Still no key leads; vigil held - Jun 9, 2002

The Associated Press

Editor"s note: This is the complete text of a story that ran in abbreviated form in the June 10 Standard-Examiner.

SALT LAKE CITY -- Relatives of a missing 14-year-old girl said Sunday they have faith Elizabeth Smart is still alive, and officials involved in the search urged property owners to check ponds, ditches, barns and wooded areas for any clues.

At the Smart family"s Mormon church ward, Bishop David C. Hamblin considered canceling Sunday"s regular service because he thought too many people would be out assisting with the search. But services were held as scheduled, and pews were nearly full.

"There"s a need to be nurtured by the spirit," Hamblin told his flock after the sacrament of white bread bits and water were passed around.

Charles Smart, the missing girl"s grandfather, told The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints congregation that life has been very good for the Smart family - possibly too good.

"Maybe I got too complacent with life. I didn"t have enough to worry about," Smart said. "We"ve had a wake-up call."

Among the searchers, Smart said he has seen a "oneness of spirit" that heartened him. "It didn"t matter if they were members of this church or not members of this church. The love they expressed was immense," he said.

Bishop Hamblin said he was proud of ward members. He told them to prepare for a long and arduous wait for answers in Elizabeth"s disappearance. He told them to rely on "hidden reserves of strength" to sustain them. "I think we expect to go through life without any of the real hard stuff," Hamblin said.

Meanwhile, search coordinators sought to expand their effort. "We have several thousand people involved in the search, but several thousand people are not enough. We need 10 million people," said Bob Walcutt of the Laura Recovery Foundation. "Check your land, your ditches, your culverts. Look around your property and check any hiding places, your ponds, your barns," Walcutt said, appealing to property owners nationwide.

Police said they"ve still got no solid leads and again expressed frustration, a situation that hasn"t changed significantly since Elizabeth was reportedly kidnapped at gunpoint from the bedroom of her affluent Salt Lake City home early Wednesday. "We"re following lots of leads but we have nothing promising," said police Capt. Scott Atkinson.

Cynthia Smart-Owens, the girl"s aunt, said relatives think Elizabeth is alive and issued another appeal to the suspected abductor to set her free. "The solution is to hold your feelings aside and send Elizabeth back to where she feels most at home," Smart-Owens said at a morning news conference. "Let her walk alone where someone can recognize her. ... Please let her go." The girl"s father, Edward Smart, said: "I know that we are going to find her."

At dusk Sunday in Liberty Park, just south of downtown, more than 500 people gathered unseasonably cold weather - 51 degrees - for a candlelight vigil. Mayor Rocky Anderson praised them for their sense of community and asked them not to give up hope, "Thank you all," he said. "You are all truly what is best about this community."

Edward Smart, his voice wavering, said, "Each of you are my brothers and sisters and I am so grateful, so grateful. I want you to know how much I love and appreciate each of you." He offered a prayer asking that the kidnapper return the daughter. "We know she"s going to come back," said Lois Smart, the girl"s mother. "We believe in miracles."

Police Chief Rick Dinse said, "The most frustrating part is knowing this young lady ... was abducted from her home and we"re just not any closer to getting her home then we were the first day." Holly Mecklee, a West Valley City mother, said, "It"s too close to home and this is what we can do - we can pray. This is what community is all about." Diane Whyte of Salt Lake City, holding her 3-year-old granddaughter, said, "It makes you sick to think ... you can"t even go to bed at night and expect your kids to be there."

Meanwhile, an air search and rescue operation was changed Sunday into an "intelligence-gathering mission," according to Jamie Guttierrez of Angel Flight, which provides charitable air services.

There were 11 volunteer pilots who took their planes up Sunday, down from 25 the day before. They looked for any clues that might help the investigation, though the number of weekend campers in nearby mountains made it difficult to locate anything considered suspicious. "It"s becoming a very expensive proposition," Guttierrez said. "Each one of those pilots is pulling out $300 a day from his own pocket for flight costs." Search efforts also took another setback when two helicopters equipped with infrared-sensing equipment were diverted to help battle wildfires in Colorado.

The girl, described by friends and family as quiet, was taken from her home between 1 am. and 2 a.m. Wednesday. She was wearing short red satin pajamas. Police said the kidnapper allowed her to put on white canvas tennis shoes before she was taken. Police said an intruder forced open a window at the Smart"s home and woke the teenager and her 9-year-old sister.

The frightened younger girl waited two hours before alerting her parents, complying with the gunman"s threat to keep quiet or he would harm her sister, police said. The younger girl has not been able to clearly describe the man, telling police only that the kidnapper carried a small black gun and was about 5-foot-8, white, with dark hair, and dressed in a tan denim-type jacket and white baseball cap.

The Source

The younger girl has not been able to clearly describe the man?

I thought they said she gave SUCH A GOOD DESCRIPTION,that they didn't need a sketch artist???

37 posted on 07/27/2002 8:49:35 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Jolly Green
"Ricci worked for the Smarts last year for several months and was paid with a white Jeep in lieu of cash.....Ricci and two others were fired when some items were stolen from the home. Ricci later approached Ed Smart and said he wasn't involved and wanted his job back. Ed Smart declined to rehire him."

I'm still curious about this jeep deal. If Ricci was fired, how and when did he pay off the jeep? According to Ed Smart, the title to the jeep wasn't transferred to Ricci until September or October of 2001, several months after Ricci was allegedly fired. Why would Ed Smart allow a THIEF to possess and use a vehicle for several months while it was still titled in his name? As I understand it, Ed Smart was exposing himself to a huge liability risk during those several months......surely a businessman like Ed Smart was aware of this risk. Who, if anyone, was carrying insurance on the jeep during those months? At what point was Ricci's debt on the jeep considered "paid in full"?

This issue was bandied about on this forum some weeks ago......I don't think anyone ever came up with a reasonable explanation. I still find it bothersome.

38 posted on 07/27/2002 8:54:55 AM PDT by freedox
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To: Jolly Green; All
HELP WANTED:

I am very courious why THIS ARTICLE has been taken off all web sites?

I am asking for help in finding this article. Anyone able to help out? Curious why it was removed from all the searcing I have done. thanks.

The Salt Lake Tribune -- Tortured Lois Smart, Coping Courageously ...

Tortured Lois Smart, Coping Courageously Day After Day, Tuesday, June 25, 2002.

BY HOLLY MULLEN THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Nearly three weeks after her daughter ...

THIS IS WHAT I get on all sites. WHY?

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39 posted on 07/27/2002 9:06:03 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Am I a sleuth or what !! I found it.

Tortured Lois Smart, Coping Courageously Day After Day

Tuesday, June 25, 2002

BY HOLLY MULLEN

THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

Nearly three weeks after her daughter vanished in the darkness, Lois Francom Smart found the will to move to the microphone again Monday.

Another day had dragged by without any real news. Another revolution of the Earth and still no sign of Elizabeth, her golden-haired baby snatched in the night.

As she has done many times before, Lois spoke to Elizabeth, as only a mother summoning all her power can do. She relayed a story of when Elizabeth was 9 years old. She was on horseback at the family ranch, had jumped off the horse and had lost hold of the reins. The horse dashed away. And the little girl was alone, frightened and desperate to get back to her family.

"Remember what you did, Elizabeth," Lois said. "You knelt down and prayed . . . you are a strong, strong girl."

But the strong little girl is still missing. Monday marked a substantial day in the investigation of Elizabeth's abduction, at least to those of us on the outside looking in.

In what has become his predictably guarded way of sharing information, Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse painted Richard Albert Ricci as a subject of intense scrutiny in the case.

The 48-year-old prison parolee from Kearns had worked for a few months last year as a handyman at the Smarts' home. Ricci, apparently, has an alibi for the early morning hours of June 5, the day Elizabeth disappeared. But his story has been tough to confirm. And questioning the man just leads to more questions.

Nothing is certain. Official information is flowing at a trickle, so reporters have taken to standing around the manicured grounds of Federal Heights LDS Ward, guessing at whether Dinse has a plan.

He revealed that evidence has been seized from Ricci's home and car, but refused to name the items. He said Ricci and his wife have undergone polygraph tests, but declined to reveal the results. He repeatedly cautioned that Ricci has not been named as a suspect or charged with the kidnapping, but rolled out a long rap sheet -- including felony burglary, aggravated robbery and attempted murder -- for this "witness."

Do officials, led by Dinse, have their man? Or do they, as many reporters have taken to speculating, hope to aim a laser on Ricci, keeping the case white-hot and drawing someone else out in the process?

With this latest smidgen of news in a case that defies logic and challenges our deepest trust in humanity, how does a mother move forward?

My own 14-year-old daughter sashays through this world with the same lovable, adolescent combination of innocence and confidence as Elizabeth, seemingly impervious to harm. So I ache for Lois at these media events, and I watch and listen. I look for clues in how she is coping. How, I wonder, does she grieve her baby's disappearance while simultaneously clinging to the hope that Elizabeth is alive and well. And what of everyone else she must also remember to mother? There is, let's not forget, Mary Katherine, the 9-year-old who witnessed her big sister's abduction, but out of sheer terror, kept the news from her parents for some time. In her grief and even guilt -- however misplaced -- this child needs a mother, soul-weary as she is.

And now this. A lead in the case. Not exactly solid, but the biggest bump so far, and enough to keep attention on the case. Enough, perhaps, to give Lois Smart another ounce of mother's courage and the strength to count down another 24 hours.

40 posted on 07/27/2002 9:15:23 AM PDT by Neenah
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