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Bugs: The Best Witnesses? (Westerfield's Son Neal Forced To Testify By Desperate D.A. Dusek!!)
Court TV ^ | July 25, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 07/24/2002 10:44:59 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: bvw
Makes me wonder if Westerfield took any.That's presumption of guilt.

I was actually thinking the opposite. The lack of photo's would tend to indicate the driving motive of child porn didn't exist. Wouldn't acting out such a huge fantasy warrant photos for future viewing ?

1,201 posted on 07/26/2002 8:03:05 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I agree....why didn't DW have these things that other pedophiles do...the pictures, the newletters or websites that the Operation Candyman and Operation Hamlet pervs did?

Where were the leather ropes and restraints, the video camera's and pics of actual kids?

If he were hiding child porn, why leave the CD's that contained a small amount on a bookshelf in the office where he knew is son used the computer??

1,202 posted on 07/26/2002 8:10:11 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
He had called his son that morning to check the front door, at which time Danielle's disappearance wasn't known to him, supposedly

Given that he probably had a radio and TV in the RV, is that plausible ? Was this in the papers ? Even if he had radio off would it be likely he would see a newspaper where he leaves off his RV ? I would assume the news was top of the hour every hour ? If I were LEO, I would have begun to be suspicious the minute he acted like he wasn't aware of her abduction.

1,203 posted on 07/26/2002 8:10:17 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: UCANSEE2
He didn't tell them he thought the girl was in the house.

Here is the first time he mentions thinking somebody could be in the house---he brings it up, then further on the Det. asks if he means "the little girl", so my interpretation is he brings it up first. He says the neighbor told him about Danielle--fine, but Neal had already been to the house to check the doors and he went inside to do it, according to his testimony. Here's where DW brings up somebody possibly being in his house:

Westerfield: Mark-yeah, I walked into the house, and you know, the house--I don't know if anybody was in the house, but I couldn't tell. And--

Redden: Why would somebody be in your house?

1,204 posted on 07/26/2002 8:11:38 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Rheo
I don't know that the jacket was in the house, in could have been in the MH.,

So, Mr. Anal leaves his jacket and the RV door unlocked? Must have been a rough day for him.

1,205 posted on 07/26/2002 8:12:29 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Rheo
All of your 1202 indicates this wasn't about child porn. I agree but it doesn't mean he didn't have another similar motive. If we are free to speculate assuming he did it, I'd vote for revenge and some perverted sense of control over Mrs. VanDam for her rejection.
1,206 posted on 07/26/2002 8:16:14 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I don't know about his radio habits while driving.

He had been gone about 6 hours before he found out after returning to the neighborhood so he knew she was missing before LEO talked to him.

His MH storage place is on a man's property, Keith Sherman, not a public place.

1,207 posted on 07/26/2002 8:21:27 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: VRWC_minion
I'd vote for revenge and some perverted sense of control over Mrs. VanDam for her rejection.

That is not the prosecutions contention tho...he did this because he was a pedophile and/or motivated by child porn.

Revenge might have been easier to believe but the state did not go with that....nor is there any indication that there was rejection.

1,208 posted on 07/26/2002 8:25:49 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: VRWC_minion
Westerfield's neighbor and friend across the street testified in this trial that Wesrterfield did leave the MH door unlocked.

Calling Westerfield "anal" and presuming that he would not have ever left the door open and unlocked is again: presumption of guilt. Sith Lord Kim has trained you well, young Darkside Jedi.

1,209 posted on 07/26/2002 8:30:02 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Wasn't he talking about one occasion where they went in the MH and DW didn't have to unlock it?

I am just asking as that is my memory, but I could be wrong, of course!

1,210 posted on 07/26/2002 8:33:16 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: VRWC_minion
"If we are free to speculate assuming he did it"

That is presumption of guilt.

1,211 posted on 07/26/2002 8:35:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: cyncooper
There it is: that a presumer of guilt speculates that Westerfield once, by abnormal circumstance, has left the door open and is exceedingly unlikely to have ever left the door unlocked on any other occassion. A presumer of innocence would say that the prosecution has not established that Westerfield always left the door locked, that there were other occassions that the door was unlocked and that the testimony supports that supposition.
1,212 posted on 07/26/2002 8:41:28 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Calling Westerfield "anal" and presuming that he would not have ever left the door open and unlocked is again

For me the defintion of anal is anyone that is on a weekend trip and suddenly fears he left the door unlocked and asks his son to go check.

As for "ever" left the door unopened, I have no problem with that, but lets look at the possibilities. What are the chances that someone, who is so compulsive about locked doors he has to call home and ask his son to check, wouldn't be as compulsive about his RV being locked ? Add to that the one time he actually leaves it unlocked (and isn't haunted to go back and check) is the one time Danielle happens to attempt to access the RV while playing outside alone with no other child to witness it or no adult to see her ?

It could happen I agree.

1,213 posted on 07/26/2002 8:41:41 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Given that he probably had a radio and TV in the RV, is that plausible?

I often drive with the radio off, even on long trips. I'm probably not the only one who does that.

1,214 posted on 07/26/2002 8:42:45 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: bvw
That is presumption of guilt

I have been through this before and have explained countless times. I started with the presumption of innocence. At few days ago I had no clue if he was guilty or not. I looked at the physical evidence and I found it overwhelmingly sufficient to prove Westerfield is guilty. Since then I am looking for evidence that might change that perception. Also, since then the more I look the more physical evidence I become aware of instead of evidence that exonerates him.

So, far I haven't been presented any evidence to change my opinion which was formed based on the hard physical facts except for speculation. Speculation is by definition and direction to a jury in CA not a basis on which to form reasonable doubt. Speculation includes Danielle was ever in the RV other than the day she was abducted. Speculation includes the blood on the jacket got there when she visited for selling cookies. Speculation includes the fibers rubbed off from the investigators. No evidence other than inuendo regarding these speculations has been put forward by the defense to my knowledge.

So, currently I do not presume Westerfield's innocence because I have seen enough evidence to believe with moral certainity that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But, hey I could still change that opinion based on the remaining testimony, closing arguments or facts that a kind freeper here may provide.

1,215 posted on 07/26/2002 8:52:55 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: bvw
So my memory of the neighbor's testimony is correct? It was stated that DW left the door to his RV unlocked, implication being that is how he always left it. I was just pointing out that has not been established.
1,216 posted on 07/26/2002 8:56:06 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Steve0113
I often drive with the radio off, even on long trips. I'm probably not the only one who does that.

I do too but to never turn it on ? Not even to get a weather report if your traveling ? Doesn't seem plausible but again everything about assuming the Westerfield is innocent requires acceptance of a number of unlikely coincidences so whats one more.

None of this is evidence anyway its all on the same order of speculating.

1,217 posted on 07/26/2002 8:56:34 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: cyncooper
It was stated that DW left the door to his RV unlocked, implication being that is how he always left it. I was just pointing out that has not been established.

A neighbor was aware that the RV was always unlocked ? That is huge. This guy must have been called as witness by Feldman wasn't he ?

Any record of testimony or report ?

1,218 posted on 07/26/2002 9:00:44 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Add to that the one time he actually leaves it unlocked (and isn't haunted to go back and check) is the one time Danielle happens to attempt to access the RV while playing outside alone with no other child to witness it or no adult to see her ?

I'm a little confused on that paragraph.

He left the MH unlocked more than just one time and it had been in the neighborhood for 2 years....that is a long time and a lot of opportunity for a child to enter.

1,219 posted on 07/26/2002 9:02:18 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: BunnySlippers
Feldman didn't call Wecht for the simple reason being that he didn't need him once the prosecution's hired gun testified. Faulkner gave Feldman everything he wanted, so why put Wecht on the stand?
1,220 posted on 07/26/2002 9:04:10 AM PDT by connectthedots
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